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Going back to the fact that most teams will have different Big Boards, I doubt Julio Jones would be very high on Mayhew's board. Would you take a guy like Jones to be your second/third receiver? Hell no. As a trade spot, sure, but if they were to take him I would be pissed. There's just too many other players that would benefit this team more and in many different ways then a 2/3 WR who would get 5-8 touches a game. We have the debate all the time about getting CJ involved in the offense more. There just wouldn't be enough balls to go around. With the amount of money that the Lions have invested in their receiving corp, I can't see adding another big money receiver. As we can all see, economics are going to play a role in this pick.


I don't buy the economics issue. I've heard plenty of people make arguments for a DE, despite all $ spent on the DL last year with KVB, Williams and Suh. Secondly, how many touches a game does a DL get - none unless there is a turnover. I don't buy that argument either as you completely ignore their impact on the rest of the game, drawing away coverage, opening up things for others and the running game, down field blocking, etc.

If Jones is the highest player on the Lions board and no worthy trade offeres are on the table I'd have absolutely no problem selecting him.

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The only reason I bring up touches is because we don't get the ball to CJ enough, or at least that's the opinion of a lot of fans. We've got 2 receiving TE's in Scheffler and Pettigrew, a good receiving RB in Best, and Nate Burleson who had a good year last year. I just can't see adding a third, big money, high draft pick to the mix. If CJ had made it clear that he didn't want to re-sign after next year, then maybe you go and get a replacement, but I'm feeling more and more confident about him staying, especially if they go .500 or better, which is totally possible. Didn't we try having 3 big time receivers once?

D-Lineman don't touch the ball, you're right, but their impact w/o touches is much more than a WR's is, especially a third WR. There is a lot of money invested in the DL, and that becomes an economic issue, but that is the crux of my point; I value DL over WR's. I always have and I always will. My Big Board would be more geared toward building from the trenches out. I've said before that it's hard for me to rank a WR as the best player available given what they produce in terms of stats and the intangibles.

Hopefully the pick ends up being a CB.

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April 5th, 2011, 8:59 am
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In all fairness, Burleson would be so much better in the slot with a guy like Jones wide.

That'd be an entirely different outlook for the offense.

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I think everyone has a preference of what POSITION they would like to see the Lions pick in the first round. However, like Pablo, I want the Lions to take the best player available. If that is Julio Jones, then so be it. Do I want them to take a receiver there? No. But if Jones is available, he's EASILY the best player available. I would be shocked if no team took him by then, and even more shocked if the Lions didn't get an adequate trade offer. Martin Mayhew isn't Matt Millen....he'll deal the pick if he gets a decent offer.

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Getting back to the trade possibilities on the previous page, I keep looking at Tampa Bay as a prime trading partner. They are in desperate need for a DE and most of the good ones could be gone by the time they pick at 20. St. Louis at 14, Jacksonville at 16, New England at 17, and San Diego at 18 could all select DEs ahead of the Bucs, so they might be willing to make the move.

A while back, I also brought up the possibility of NE trading 17 and 28 for 13 and 44, but I don't think it's likely. I know the Pats are trying to trade the 28th pick, but I believe it's to move back, not up, or to get a 2012 first rounder instead.

I also thought up Denver trading #36, #46, and a future pick for #13. They tend to make moves like that, but I can't figure out who they would trade up that high for. Perhaps, if they think Ayers is a bust, they'd do it for a DE, but I just don't know.

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The Bucs have the most need at DE, and they would either have to overpay to get up to #13 or the Lions would have to get less for what they would give up. The 13th pick is 1150 and TB has picks 20 (850) 51 (390) and 84 (170). Would they give up 20 and 51 to get up to 13? As Sly said there are a good number of teams in front of them that could conceivably pick a DE, so the Lions should hold their feet to the fire in order to get more then the pick is worth. 20 and 51 would be 1240, which is higher then their 13th pick, but Mayhew has proven shrewd in the past and would hopefully make it happen again.

The other two trade possibilities I don't really see happening. NE tends not to move up, and Denver, while they made some bold moves last draft, have new leadership. We don't know really if Elway will be a wheeler and a dealer, but if they wanted up to 13 they'd have to throw in #67 to make it worthwhile for the Lions to make that trade. They'd be giving up 3 picks, and for a team with a lot of holes that may be too much to give up.

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Don't really see Denver making a move, new Sheriff in town and all. If there are several DE's still there when 13 rolls around (Watt, Jordan, Smith) I think there could be some interest. Jacksonville, New England and San Diego to me, seem like possibilities. I could see the swap with the Pat's, it's not really much of a move up for them, and it alleviates the late 1st rounder they allegedly want to rid themselves of. If any these teams actually have designs on a particular player, maybe one will leapfrog the others to get the choice.


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Denver won't move up from 36 to 13. That's a ton to give up to make that move in a draft that holds most of its value in the second and third rounds.

New England could move up from 17 to 13 without having to give up the #28 pick. Their first and third would do the trick. Then they could move down from 28 to where ever they want in the second round and recoup that pick.

In truth, I had originally thought TB would be willing to trade up, but only if Robert Quinn is still on the board. I don't think they'll trade up for Aldon Smith, Watt or Jordan. They could stand pat and still get a DE like Justin Houston, who I think is very under rated. They also might need a corner, and the lure of Harris or Jimmy Smith might pull them in as well.

The team I think could very well trade up is San Diego. They have the Jets second rounder, and could use that to move up and secure a DE like Watt. They have nothing for DEs on their roster and are pretty desperate.

And an FYI, don't base everything on the trade value chart. Position only plays a part in the value of the pick. Players available are the biggest factor in determining a picks value. It's how the mustached idiot got a second rounder from Cleveland for them to move up one spot and take Kellen Winslow Jr. It was way off on the TVC, but the Browns felt he was that special of a player.

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You're right about the Value Chart, but it does give us (and the teams) a sense of what's fair. It really only makes a difference in trading 1st rounders. It's obviously not a hard and fast system, and some teams will value the player they are going after more then the picks it will cost. Some teams value their picks higher than others. It's all draft strategy. Winslow was apparently a more valuable commodity then their 2nd rounder in Cleveland and what's his nuts was able to take advantage of it.

I'd say the Lions would have a better chance at getting a King's ransom if one of these guys are available when they pick at 13; Robert Quinn or Julio Jones. These are two guys I can see having more appeal to teams opposed to picks.

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Top 100 draft prospects regardless of position
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By Nolan Nawrocki

Three weeks before the NFL draft, PFW personnel analyst Nolan Nawrocki offers up his list of the top 100 draft prospects, regardless of position. Players are ranked according to the likelihood of their success in the NFL, not necessarily in the order Nawrocki believes they will be drafted.
Regardless of Position
Rk Pos No Name School Grade Height Weight Speed Notes
1 OLB 40 Von Miller Texas A&M 8.50 6-2 5/8 246 4.53 DE
2 CB 7 Patrick Peterson LSU 8.00 6-0 1/4 219 4.34 Jr.
3 WR 8 A.J. Green Georgia 7.90 6-3 5/8 211 4.49 Jr.
4 DT 57 Marcell Dareus Alabama 7.75 6-3 1/8 319 4.93 Jr., DE
5 WR 8 Julio Jones Alabama 6.70 6-2 3/4 220 4.39 Jr.
6 DE 42 Robert Quinn North Carolina 6.55 6-4 264 4.69 Jr., X
7 CB 21 Prince Amukamara Nebraska 6.50 6-0 206 4.43
8 QB 11 Blaine Gabbert Missouri 6.35 6-4 3/8 234 4.63 Jr.
9 OT 74 Anthony Castonzo Boston College 6.30 6-7 311 5.27 X
10 DE 85 Aldon Smith Missouri 6.30 6-4 1/4 263 4.74 Soph-3, X
11 OT 70 Tyron Smith USC 6.25 6-5 307 4.98 Jr.
12 DE 99 J.J. Watt Wisconsin 6.25 6-5 3/8 290 4.84 Jr.
13 DE 97 Cameron Jordan California 6.23 6-4 1/8 287 4.73 DT, OLB
14 DT 90 Nick Fairley Auburn 6.20 6-3 7/8 291 4.84 Jr., Ch.
15 DE 94 Ryan Kerrigan Purdue 6.17 6-3 7/8 267 4.69
16 OT 68 Gabe Carimi Wisconsin 6.15 6-7 314 5.18
17 DE 93 Da'Quan Bowers Clemson 6.15 6-3 5/8 276 4.94 Jr., X
18 DE 94 Adrian Clayborn Iowa 6.13 6-2 5/8 281 4.82 X, DT
19 RB 22 Mark Ingram Alabama 6.13 5-9 1/8 215 4.56 Jr.
20 FS 4 Aaron Williams Texas 6.07 5-11 7/8 204 4.54 Jr., CB
21 DT 93 Corey Liuget Illinois 6.05 6-2 1/8 298 5.01 Jr.
22 OG 55 Mike Pouncey Florida 6.01 6-5 303 5.16 C
23 QB 2 Cam Newton Auburn 5.99 6-5 248 4.58 Jr., Ch.
24 OT 78 Nate Solder Colorado 5.99 6-8 1/4 319 4.98
25 OT 79 Derek Sherrod Mississippi State 5.97 6-5 3/8 321 5.21
26 CB 1 Brandon Harris Miami (Fla.) 5.97 5-9 1/2 191 4.44 Jr.
27 OG 59 Danny Watkins Baylor 5.97 6-3 3/8 310 5.29 OT, Age
28 TE 9 Kyle Rudolph Notre Dame 5.96 6-6 1/8 259 4.75e Jr., X
29 DE 9 Muhammad Wilkerson Temple 5.95 6-4 1/8 315 4.98 Jr., DT
30 OLB 54 Bruce Carter North Carolina 5.95 6-1 1/2 241 4.50e X
31 TE 84 Lance Kendricks Wisconsin 5.95 6-2 7/8 243 4.68
32 OLB 42 Justin Houston Georgia 5.90 6-2 7/8 270 4.64 Jr., DE
33 DT 9 Marvin Austin North Carolina 5.87 6-1 5/8 309 4.83 DE, Ch.
34 QB 10 Jake Locker Washington 5.77 6-2 1/2 231 4.52
35 DE 97 Jabaal Sheard Pittsburgh 5.75 6-2 7/8 264 4.68 OLB
36 CB 3 Jimmy Smith Colorado 5.75 6-2 1/4 211 4.44 Ch.
37 OLB 10 Akeem Ayers UCLA 5.75 6-2 1/2 254 4.82 Jr.
38 WR 18 Randall Cobb Kentucky 5.75 5-10 1/4 191 4.47 Jr., RS
39 DT 98 Phil Taylor Baylor 5.75 6-3 1/4 334 5.21 NT
40 OT 77 James Carpenter Alabama 5.70 6-4 3/8 321 5.26 OG
41 RB 34 Ryan Williams Virginia Tech. 5.69 5-9 3/8 212 4.56 Soph-3, X
42 DT 54 Stephen Paea Oregon State 5.67 6-1 1/4 303 4.95e NT
43 DE 57 Allen Bailey Miami (Fla.) 5.65 6-3 285 4.78 DT
44 CB 19 Johnny Patrick Louisville 5.65 5-10 5/8 191 4.56 Ch.
45 WR 8 Greg Little North Carolina 5.65 6-2 1/2 231 4.54 Ch., DNP
46 DT 91 Jurrell Casey USC 5.65 6-0 5/8 300 5.11 Jr.
47 OG 60 Clint Boling Georgia 5.65 6-4 5/8 308 5.29 OT
48 FS 3 Rahim Moore UCLA 5.65 5-11 3/4 202 4.62 Jr.
49 OT 76 Marcus Gilbert Florida 5.63 6-6 1/8 330 5.44
50 WR 1 Titus Young Boise State 5.63 5-11 3/4 174 4.43 RS
51 DT 46 Christian Ballard Iowa 5.63 6-3 3/4 283 4.72 DE
52 RB 28 Dion Lewis Pittsburgh 5.62 5-6 5/8 193 4.47 Soph-3, X
53 OT 61 Marcus Cannon TCU 5.60 6-5 358 5.29 OG
54 RB 8 Daniel Thomas Kansas State 5.59 6-0 1/4 230 4.61 X
55 OT 74 Orlando Franklin Miami (Fla.) 5.57 6-5 1/2 316 5.18 OG
56 CB 19 Ras-I Dowling Virginia 5.57 6-1 3/8 198 4.43 X
57 RB 24 Kendall Hunter Oklahoma State 5.57 5-7 1/4 199 4.47 X
58 CB 22 Brandon Hogan West Virginia 5.55 5-10 1/4 192 4.46 X, Ch.
59 OLB 42 Brooks Reed Arizona 5.55 6-2 1/2 263 4.68 X, DE
60 ILB 2 Martez Wilson Illinois 5.55 6-3 3/4 250 4.46 Jr., X
61 WR 8 Torrey Smith Maryland 5.55 6-0 7/8 204 4.42 Jr., KR
62 RB 5 Mikel Leshoure Illinois 5.55 5-11 5/8 227 4.59 Jr., Ch.
63 OG 74 Will Rackley Lehigh (Pa.) 5.55 6-3 1/4 309 5.44 OT
64 TE 85 Virgil Green Nevada 5.55 6-3 3/8 249 4.56 H-B
65 QB 12 Ricky Stanzi Iowa 5.53 6-4 3/8 223 4.93
66 RB 34 Shane Vereen California 5.53 5-10 1/4 210 4.49 Jr.
67 QB 10 Colin Kaepernick Nevada 5.51 6-4 5/8 233 4.53 ATH
68 DE 97 Cameron Heyward Ohio State 5.50 6-4 5/8 294 5.00e X, DT
69 WR 3 Jerrel Jernigan Troy 5.50 5-8 7/8 185 4.48 RS
70 DT 99 Jarvis Jenkins Clemson 5.50 6-4 310 5.06 NT
71 C 62 Rodney Hudson Florida State 5.50 6-2 3/8 299 5.24 OG
72 SS 5 Jaiquawn Jarrett Temple 5.50 5-11 7/8 198 4.62
73 QB 14 Andy Dalton TCU 5.47 6-2 215 4.86
74 WR 8 Edmond Gates Abilene Christian 5.47 5-11 3/4 192 4.36 Age
75 WR 82 Jonathan Baldwin Pittsburgh 5.46 6-4 3/8 228 4.51 Jr., Ch.
76 DE 81 Sam Acho Texas 5.45 6-1 5/8 262 4.67 OLB
77 CB 15 Josh Thomas Buffalo 5.45 5-10 1/8 191 4.46
78 OLB 44 Colin McCarthy Miami (Fla.) 5.45 6-1 3/8 238 4.64 X, ILB
79 ILB 52 Quan Sturdivant North Carolina 5.45 6-1 241 4.76
80 WR 17 Dwayne Harris East Carolina 5.45 5-10 3/8 203 4.56 KR
81 DT 97 Terrell McClain South Florida 5.45 6-1 5/8 297 4.99
82 TE 88 Luke Stocker Tennessee 5.45 6-4 3/4 258 4.74
83 WR 80 Vincent Brown San Diego State 5.44 5-11 1/4 189 4.58
84 WR 85 Leonard Hankerson Miami (Fla.) 5.43 6-1 1/2 209 4.44
85 OT 71 Ben Ijalana Villanova 5.42 6-3 5/8 317 5.38 OG
86 CB 4 Davon House New Mexico State 5.42 6-0 1/2 200 4.46
87 WR 2 Tandon Doss Indiana 5.42 6-2 201 4.55e Jr., X
88 FS 12 Marcus Gilchrist Clemson 5.42 5-10 195 4.48 CB
89 WR 1 Greg Salas Hawaii 5.41 6-1 1/8 210 4.54
90 OT 73 Lee Ziemba Auburn 5.40 6-6 318 5.44
91 CB 24 Shareece Wright USC 5.40 5-10 7/8 185 4.46 XX, Ch.
92 OLB 43 Chris Carter Fresno State 5.40 6-1 1/8 248 4.66 DE
93 ILB 51 Akeem Dent Georgia 5.40 6-1 240 4.74 OLB
94 WR 24 Niles Paul Nebraska 5.40 6-0 7/8 224 4.51 Ch.
95 OG 74 John Moffitt Wisconsin 5.40 6-4 1/4 319 5.52
96 QB 7 Christian Ponder Florida State 5.39 6-2 229 4.64 X
97 OT 73 James Brewer Indiana 5.39 6-6 1/4 323 5.29 X
98 DE 83 Cliff Matthews South Carolina 5.39 6-3 1/2 257 4.82 OLB
99 CB 27 Brandon Burton Utah 5.39 5-11 5/8 190 4.51 Jr.
100 OLB 55 Dontay Moch Nevada 5.39 6-1 3/8 248 4.46 DE, PRS
101 ILB 11 Kelvin Sheppard LSU 5.39 6-2 250 4.71 SLB
102 WR 2 Austin Pettis Boise State 5.39 6-2 5/8 209 4.62 X
103 RB 1 Jacquizz Rodgers Oregon State 5.39 5-6 3/8 197 4.53 Jr., RS
104 RB 3 Delone Carter Syracuse 5.39 5-8 5/8 222 4.54 Ch.
105 DT 97 Kenrick Ellis Hampton (Va.) 5.39 6-4 7/8 346 5.24 NT, Ch


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