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Post Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff rule
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Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff rule
Posted by Mike Florio on August 11, 2011, 11:03 PM EDT

With the kickoff point moving from the 30 back to the 35, the NFL hopes to reduce injuries during kickoff returns by reducing the raw number of kickoff returns.

And while it’s too early to make a reliable comparison to pre-2011 stats, the ball seems to be flying deep into the end zone, and beyond.

In the Ravens-Eagles game, five kickoffs resulted in touchbacks. In the Jaguars-Pats game, there were two touchbacks (even though 59 points were scored). The Broncos-Cowboys game has featured five touchbacks as of this posting. In Seahawks-Chargers, there has been two touchbacks as of this posting.

But perhaps the most glaring example of the new rule came on the first play of the Cardinals-Raiders game, when kicker Sebastian Janikowski boomed the ball out of the end zone — and possibly through the uprights.

Over time, the rule undoubtedly will result in more touchbacks. In turn, that will result in fewer points. And so this rule will have been one of the few changes over the years that will, over time, reduce scoring.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ckoff-rul/

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Post Re: Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff
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PFT wrote:
Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff rule
Posted by Mike Florio on August 11, 2011, 11:03 PM EDT

With the kickoff point moving from the 30 back to the 35, the NFL hopes to reduce injuries during kickoff returns by reducing the raw number of kickoff returns.

And while it’s too early to make a reliable comparison to pre-2011 stats, the ball seems to be flying deep into the end zone, and beyond.

In the Ravens-Eagles game, five kickoffs resulted in touchbacks. In the Jaguars-Pats game, there were two touchbacks (even though 59 points were scored). The Broncos-Cowboys game has featured five touchbacks as of this posting. In Seahawks-Chargers, there has been two touchbacks as of this posting.

But perhaps the most glaring example of the new rule came on the first play of the Cardinals-Raiders game, when kicker Sebastian Janikowski boomed the ball out of the end zone — and possibly through the uprights.

Over time, the rule undoubtedly will result in more touchbacks. In turn, that will result in fewer points. And so this rule will have been one of the few changes over the years that will, over time, reduce scoring.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ckoff-rul/


This would reduce Logan's value to the team.

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Post Re: Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff
I question just how much this will reduce injuries on kickoffs. The players up front still have to block a guy coming at them from 30 yards away with a full head of steam until the whistle blows. That's when most injuries occur. Some level of that contact is still going to be made. I understand that it will get reduced to a point. But just how much?

As for Logan's value being reduced, doesn't he return punts as well?

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looks like the fantasy value of return men just droped by 50%

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Post Re: Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff
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I question just how much this will reduce injuries on kickoffs. The players up front still have to block a guy coming at them from 30 yards away with a full head of steam until the whistle blows. That's when most injuries occur. Some level of that contact is still going to be made. I understand that it will get reduced to a point. But just how much?

As for Logan's value being reduced, doesn't he return punts as well?


Yes, so it is a reduction in value rather than no value. I'm hoping he does very little kickoff returns as our defense stops more offenses from scoring.

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Post Re: Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff
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Pablo wrote:
TheRealWags wrote:
PFT wrote:
Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff rule
Posted by Mike Florio on August 11, 2011, 11:03 PM EDT

With the kickoff point moving from the 30 back to the 35, the NFL hopes to reduce injuries during kickoff returns by reducing the raw number of kickoff returns.

And while it’s too early to make a reliable comparison to pre-2011 stats, the ball seems to be flying deep into the end zone, and beyond.

In the Ravens-Eagles game, five kickoffs resulted in touchbacks. In the Jaguars-Pats game, there were two touchbacks (even though 59 points were scored). The Broncos-Cowboys game has featured five touchbacks as of this posting. In Seahawks-Chargers, there has been two touchbacks as of this posting.

But perhaps the most glaring example of the new rule came on the first play of the Cardinals-Raiders game, when kicker Sebastian Janikowski boomed the ball out of the end zone — and possibly through the uprights.

Over time, the rule undoubtedly will result in more touchbacks. In turn, that will result in fewer points. And so this rule will have been one of the few changes over the years that will, over time, reduce scoring.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ckoff-rul/


This would reduce Logan's value to the team.


I question just how much this will reduce injuries on kickoffs. The players up front still have to block a guy coming at them from 30 yards away with a full head of steam until the whistle blows. That's when most injuries occur. Some level of that contact is still going to be made. I understand that it will get reduced to a point. But just how much?

As for Logan's value being reduced, doesn't he return punts as well?


Yes, so it is a reduction in value rather than no value. I'm hoping he does very little kickoff returns as our defense stops more offenses from scoring.



I'm not trying to be argumentative but I see the value proposition a little differently.

I see the value of the kick returner increase if he can stare a touch back in the face and say... "F@#% it! I'm going anyway!" AND then deliver!

The guy who can get you out past the 20 yard line with some degree of consistency has a higher value IMO. The same is true for the better blockers who can help spring him.

I see your point that touchbacks are likely to become more common but that's why I see the return specialist who can negate those as a player of greater value.

Now, is Logan that guy? A guy of greater value? I'm not sure I can answer that yet. We'll soon see.


BTW, I agree that I can't see this as a way to reduce injuries either. That just doesn't make sence to me. AND at the expence of less scoring. ??? That's whats killing hockey!

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Post Re: Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff
In the late summer heat, most kicks will sail for touchbacks. Let the cool air settle in and the kicks will sail less. The returner for SD took one back 84 yards last night.


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Post Re: Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff
Good points on both sides.. but practically speaking you have to judge things based on on the impact to production. I think it will be clear that kick returner's yardages will be greatly reduced, so practically speaking their impact on the team is less important. Overall I expect the production to reduce linearly over all, but for some returners who buck the trend, they could see their impact compared to other KR's increase by their ability to make more out of a bad situation. But overall that will likely not be the case and means most returners impact on the team will likely reduce.

A team without a good KR might just force a backup to grab the touchbacks...

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and on the flipside, this has to help a veteran kicker like Hanson who is very accurate but has lost a bit of leg on kickoffs.

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Post Re: Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff
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and on the flipside, this has to help a veteran kicker like Hanson who is very accurate but has lost a bit of leg on kickoffs.


That actually is a very good point... it could extend his career and remove any need for kickoff specialist.

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Post Re: Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff
I have liked the rule change from the beginning. The NFL simply reverted back to the rule that was in place when Mel Gray played and set the template of what a Return man should be.

Now we will see who the really good return men really are. Did you all notice the 1st time Logan returned a kick last night he took 4 yards deep in the end zone and brought it out past the 30 yard line? Kick Returns are still going to happen. IF YOU HAVE A TRULY GOOD RETURN MAN. As opposed to Cinci's return man that should have taken a knee. LOL.


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Post Re: Touchbacks galore on the first night of the new kickoff
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and on the flipside, this has to help a veteran kicker like Hanson who is very accurate but has lost a bit of leg on kickoffs.


That actually is a very good point... it could extend his career and remove any need for kickoff specialist.



I had not thought about that aspect of the kicking game. Great point Pablo!!

That issue really plays to the advantage of Detroit.

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