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 NCAA Could Allow More Scholarships to Schools 
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... ms-retreat

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Cost of attendance has become a buzz word in recent months in college sports, as studies have shown that current scholarships on average fall about $3,000 short of the real-world expenses a student-athlete incurs per year. SEC commissioner Mike Slive proposed this summer that schools should award four-year scholarships to recruits instead of the current, one-year renewable grants.


This will give bigger divisions a leg up.

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August 10th, 2011, 9:12 am
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6848439/ncaa-presidents-discuss-scholarship-terms-retreat

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Cost of attendance has become a buzz word in recent months in college sports, as studies have shown that current scholarships on average fall about $3,000 short of the real-world expenses a student-athlete incurs per year. SEC commissioner Mike Slive proposed this summer that schools should award four-year scholarships to recruits instead of the current, one-year renewable grants.


This will give bigger divisions a leg up.

This is just one more reason why I believe student athletes should be allowed to earn money on the side. Not be paid by the school, but be allowed to earn outside money. I believe I mentioned this before, but I had a very interesting conversation with Jay Bilas (ESPN College Basketball Analyst) during my sports business class at Duke this past year. Jay's contention is that it is completely hypocritical for schools to allow other students who are on scholarship to work, but athletes can't. His example was to imagine a student who is a gifted musician and is on the full scholarship. If that student composes some music, they can sell that music and keep the profits. Or, if they are offered a gig playing music and get paid for it, they get to keep that money and are not in violation of any rules. Yet, if a football players is offered so much as a sandwich, they can't accept it or they are in violation. Much less being able to accept an offer to sponsor a business or earn some money from the sale of their likeness. I agree with Jay that this is completely hypocritical, particularly in light of the fact that some scholarships are now falling short of covering all expenses.

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August 10th, 2011, 9:28 am
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I'm with ya.

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August 10th, 2011, 11:08 am
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I think its bogus. Are the other students who "are on scholarship" really getting full rides? Are they getting their housing paid for? Are they getting books and meals paid for? Do they get a stipend? In most cases, no. That's why I don't want to pay athletes. These guys can live with what their scholarships provide. The fact is that the typical college student is broke and will be in debt for the next 10+ years after college. These guys are getting everything paid for and won't be in debt when they graduate (if they do). But I guess this isn't enough, since scholars don't inject enough money into the coffers. What a joke!

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August 19th, 2011, 2:26 pm
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Student athletes are documented coming up short about $3k per year. They are not given the ability to work a well paying job to make that difference while they are raking in the money for the school and adding much more value to the budget than any other student. I don't care how they do it, but the students need to be compensated so they need to come out with no debt. They earned it, plain and simple, more than almost any other employee in the school.

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August 19th, 2011, 2:40 pm
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Buuuuulll $#it. First off, most of these guys wouldn't get into these schools if they weren't football players, so there's benefit #1. And if $3k is all they're "coming up short" then that's not that bad, considering most college students have 5x that amount to pay, benefit #2. Plus everything that goes with being a big time college athlete? Now you say they should get more? I don't buy that one bit.

What does "coming up short" exactly mean? That they can't pay the rent at their condo? Live in the dorms, your scholarship covers that. That your car doesn't have rims? BFD. That you can't eat at all the restaurants in town? Be more judicious with your stipend/eat ramen/eat in the caf... I'm sorry, but college students live a certain way, and these guys are trying to live a privileged life.

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August 19th, 2011, 2:46 pm
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What does "coming up short" exactly mean? That they can't pay the rent at their condo? Live in the dorms, your scholarship covers that. That your car doesn't have rims? BFD. That you can't eat at all the restaurants in town? Be more judicious with your stipend/eat ramen/eat in the caf... I'm sorry, but college students live a certain way, and these guys are trying to live a privileged life.

This is what I want to know. These kids get everything paid and it's still not enough? I just don't get it.

And before someone pipes in that the schools are making money off of them (and don't forget that the schools are really making money off of ALL its students), let me ask where does that money go to?
    More scholarships
    Upgrading/improving the sports facilities
    Expanding/updating the schools themselves
    Promoting the schools and sports.
    Just to name a couple

Here's another way to look at it: Do doctors get paid while they're interns? No. Is it normal for most people in apprenticeship type programs get paid BEFORE they're a pro? No. So, tell me again why these kids, who are basically in an apprentice/intern program for the NFL, deserve to get paid? Why not actually enforce the rules that are already on the books instead of creating new ones? Hmm, doesn't this sound similar to the Govt stuff we're dealing with? In fact, I'd say that those advocating for paying these kids are, in a sense, advocating for Socialism.

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August 19th, 2011, 3:12 pm
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Speaking only for myself, I never said they should get paid. What I've said is that if someone wants to pay them for their services, their likeness, whatever, it should be legal. It's legal for every other student, so why not for athletes as well? See my example above about a musician for an example. Hell, where I just graduated from there is a guy who wrote a song while he was a student. It became a big hit and he's made a lot of money from it. That's completely ok, but if he were an athlete who got paid to endorse something, god forbid...

It's just not consistent. That's my problem with it.

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August 19th, 2011, 3:41 pm
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If Dane Crist can write a hit song, I'm sure he could sell it for the same amount of money as homeboy you know. Would that be a violation of his scholarship?

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Wayne Fontes wrote:
If Dane Crist can write a hit song, I'm sure he could sell it for the same amount of money as homeboy you know. Would that be a violation of his scholarship?

I don't think so. But players can't have jobs, so it might be.

But that's not the point. The point is that any student, whether they are on scholarship or not, should be able to profit from their skills, abilities, name, whatever, as long as it is legal. Whether Crist can write a song or not is irrelevant to the discussion because he's not on a music scholarship. I had a couple scholarships when I was in undergrad, yet I could still work. Why was that ok for me, but if one of the football players wanted to work it would have been a violation? It's totally inconsistent.

I'll say it again. If a company/organization/whoever wants to pay a student for their services (whether it's a job, an endorsement, trade one product for another, whatever) in a manner that is legal, it should not be against NCAA rules. If it is legal for every other student except athletes, it's inconsistent.

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August 19th, 2011, 4:12 pm
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The NCAA did a study to see how much of ACTUAL expenses are covered for a student athlete and the average is that $3k of a students actual cost is not paid for. I don't care if they are getting a deal of not, if they are contributing so much to the school all normal expenses should be paid. Yes, they are getting a good ride, but compared to their contributions it is no sufficient.

You guys can strawman this to death all you want by ignoring the fact they can't get jobs to make the difference and their contribution to the school MORE than covers their annual expenses.

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steensn wrote:
The NCAA did a study to see how much of ACTUAL expenses are covered for a student athlete and the average is that $3k of a students actual cost is not paid for.

Care to provide a link to said study?

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August 19th, 2011, 4:16 pm
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Please see initial post... I'm not going to Google the originals, if you want to question those studies for no reason except you don't believe them be my guest.

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There's no link in the initial post to these studies, it's just a "studies show" type of thing. This is in there tho

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It's clear, however, that not all schools in Division I could afford the added costs. Simply accounting for the full cost of attendance for every athlete on campus could add more than $1 million a year to an athletic department's expense sheet at a time when most programs are operating in the red.


Super Conferences would help this situation...

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August 19th, 2011, 4:27 pm
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Look, if you want the actual studies and call the their bluff be my guest. I'm guessing this is something that really isn't a lie. If you need the originals I'm sure you can Google them. It shouldn't be a point on contention in the discussion...

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