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The discussion I had with Stallion brought this idea to mind, and knowing that we represent many different perspectives and ideals, it seemed to me this could be an interesting topic.

The thought is that this thread would be a platform for us to behave and act as if we were the US Congress and try to hash out a legitimate path for the US, based upon open, and clear dialogue. What would need to happen is to have a Moderator, monitor and keep track of agreed upon commonalities so that they could be tabled or set aside to put into the final draft of fixing this country.

I don't believe name calling or arguments would be appropriate as we've had enough of that in Washington. But we could approach this from either side, and lay out our goals based upon all sides, throwing them into the middle of the table. From there, we collectively discuss each item that we'd like to see from healthcare, to national defense, taxes, job growth, and budgets and so on. For this to work, each side has to negotiate being willing to hear, listen and maybe give a little ground in order for a common good.

I don't recall ever seeing such a thread before, and I think it would be interesting to see if common people who are not subject to special interests or kick backs can work out a plan for this country on this much smaller scale.

So having said all that, what does everyone think? You in? The floor recognizes the honorable _______________.

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October 11th, 2011, 9:11 am
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Wow, I thought people would have jumped all over this, especially with all the chit chatter of "coming to the table and airing out differences."

I'm not exactly sure how it could be set up, but Conservatives (or those who choose that designation) would voice what they want to see in 12, and what they don't want to see. Then Liberals, and Libertarians, and so on.

This allows everyone to see each view point, then filter out the common "view points and put those on the table. Then take the remainder and discuss them as needed.

For instance: Tax Cuts: Conservatives want tax cuts in Capital Gains, and so on, explain why

Liberals want more taxes, explain why? Then with a Moderator, meet in the middle reaching a decision that does both. Eases tax cuts on Capital Gains, but would provide a National Flat tax so all are affected. Libertarians, I'm not sure where you'd fall in on this, so please advise.

But I think it would be an interesting experiment! What say you?

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October 11th, 2011, 1:27 pm
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let me know when it'as my turn to have the floor. I bought a chinese phonebook for just such an occasion!

Filibuster this yo! :wink: :lol:

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October 11th, 2011, 2:21 pm
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Sounds like a great idea and I'm sure I'll join in, just a bit busy at work right now to try to get it started....maybe a little later.

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Sounds like a great idea and I'm sure I'll join in, just a bit busy at work right now to try to get it started....maybe a little later.


agreed. I'd like to enjoy a rare Tuesday filled with Lions glow today!!!

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Ok, breaks over! Just kidding. Does anyone else have a good idea on how this can run so that we can have a basic foundation of parameters that won't send the experiment careening off course?

I'm not sure how we could do the "tabled items" other than a sticky, but I will leave that to the Forum Mods who are more familiar with that stuff.

I think initially, as people are interested, we should begin by posting two lists: 1. things I expect from my National Government 2. Things i don't expect.

Once that's done by all the participants, then we need to corral and table the common denominators and then discuss the others (politely) and see if a middle ground can be reached. Keep in mind that for a middle ground to be reached, that means that each side is going to have to step to the middle, ie give up some of what they want to make it to common ground.

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October 12th, 2011, 8:28 am
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Sorry, but I refuse to compromise with Socialists. All that gets you is slightly less socialism.

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To stir it up, and you know I like to do that, I'd like to start with separation of church and state as a minor point.

I do not want our government telling me what to believe nor forcing beliefs upon me. I don't need to hear it in our National anthem or our Pledge of Allegiance, see it on our currency, or put my hand on a Bible in a courtroom in order to tell the truth.

Hell, incoming Presidents raise their right hand and place the left on the Bible while taking the oath of office...

It is woven in nearly every aspect of our government, few notice it because it is so prevalent and commonplace it is rarely even questioned. I'm shocked that even the majority of believers don't demand true separation based on some of our most basic founding principles as a country. It is part of the indoctrination process I brought up in another thread, simply at another level that is invisable to most who choose to simply ignore it or are too blinded to notice in the first place.

So who is with me? Believers and non-believers unite, lets separate our state from the church as was intended and is appropriate.

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To stir it up, and you know I like to do that, I'd like to start with separation of church and state as a minor point.

I do not want our government telling me what to believe nor forcing beliefs upon me. I don't need to hear it in our National anthem or our Pledge of Allegiance, see it on our currency, or put my hand on a Bible in a courtroom in order to tell the truth.

Hell, incoming Presidents raise their right hand and place the left on the Bible while taking the oath of office...

It is woven in nearly every aspect of our government, few notice it because it is so prevalent and commonplace it is rarely even questioned. I'm shocked that even the majority of believers don't demand true separation based on some of our most basic founding principles as a country. It is part of the indoctrination process I brought up in another thread, simply at another level that is invisable to most who choose to simply ignore it or are too blinded to notice in the first place.

So who is with me? Believers and non-believers unite, lets separate our state from the church as was intended and is appropriate.

I 2nd the motion.

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October 12th, 2011, 3:53 pm
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TheRealWags wrote:
Pablo wrote:
To stir it up, and you know I like to do that, I'd like to start with separation of church and state as a minor point.

I do not want our government telling me what to believe nor forcing beliefs upon me. I don't need to hear it in our National anthem or our Pledge of Allegiance, see it on our currency, or put my hand on a Bible in a courtroom in order to tell the truth.

Hell, incoming Presidents raise their right hand and place the left on the Bible while taking the oath of office...

It is woven in nearly every aspect of our government, few notice it because it is so prevalent and commonplace it is rarely even questioned. I'm shocked that even the majority of believers don't demand true separation based on some of our most basic founding principles as a country. It is part of the indoctrination process I brought up in another thread, simply at another level that is invisable to most who choose to simply ignore it or are too blinded to notice in the first place.

So who is with me? Believers and non-believers unite, lets separate our state from the church as was intended and is appropriate.

I 2nd the motion.


I 3rd the motion

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October 12th, 2011, 4:27 pm
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Here's my thought, and it may make it easier to proceed with the LB C experiment.

Write out a list and submit it. Then we can have a Moderator compile the list of commonalities and set that aside. Then the other issues can be discussed separately. Also, I didn't want to re-invent the wheel, I was hoping that this would be as if we were the on coming Congress of the U.S. We each have our own beliefs and perspectives, so operating under the current guidelines of the U.S. Constitution will keep this from getting out of hand, because we already have a bedrock foundation to start from.

Your point about Church and State could be discussed in the issues section that is beyond commonality (this is a suggestion).

So I guess I'll start:

Strong military: that acts on behalf of the United States and her allies, not a world police force
Stronger education:
States Rights
Strong Civil Protection: police, fire, internet security, and restrictions (strong firewall prevention of all inappropriate material, material unsuitable for kids (porn in any form mainly) should be funneled to one "channel." To view or purchase according to your own choices, must be done through a one way in/out access, via age verification. Instead of being readily available through out the net, or accidentally stumbled upon, it is quartined to one location, where those who wish to partake may do so, without endangering any children who wish to traverse the net.
freedom to provide for myself
freedom to earn to my potential

the remainder of the rights are in the Bill of Rights and therefore are still in play.


As a sidenote, I didn't want to lose this so here is the first proposed Bill if you will:

American Education Revamp Act of 2011 (first proposed bill) With the steady decline of the American Educational System, the AERA hopes to change the present, traditional mindset of the current Education System. By instituting this act we will begin by first requesting the POTUS to call all Fortune 500 CEO's to Washington for the purpose of a joint and open hearing on Education and funding. This present bill and it's funding will be brought forth as a recommendation for discussion, with the results to fund the bill. The Congress of the U.S. hereby states that upon approval, this bill will be continually funded by any company foreign or domestic, doing business within our borders. The US Congress will authorize .5% of the GDP will be set aside and UNTOUCHABLE for the purpose of education. The Fortune 500 and beyond will be asked to include .5% of their GDP into the same fund that will fund teachers salaries, and school operations, and technologies. The Fortune 500 and beyond will also be asked to contribute .5% of GDP towards a Scholarship Fund, that will help provide College Tuition for all students that qualify on a GPA based level. Said GPA level will be 2.0 (C average for Community Colleges) 3.0 and above for State Colleges. Sports scholarships will be funded by said colleges.
Once the funding portion of the bill has been addressed and agreed upon, the next step is to discuss the proposal with NEA, and other Teaching associations in order to come to a common understand and plan for institution. Congressional Recommendation is 52 weeks a year of education, with one week off per quarter. Educational Standards will revolve around English, Math, Sciences, and Reading as the main core for education with secondary courses in socio-economics, government/history.
This bill provided it has been discussed an approved by all the parties involved will remain PURE and solely the AERA bill with NO ADD ONS, or pork.

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October 12th, 2011, 5:26 pm
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I do not want our government telling me what to believe nor forcing beliefs upon me




hmmm.......whoever is forcing you to believe now is doing a lousy job......

and...

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The inability to comprimise when dealing wiht a populace of 300 million is as bad if not worse than socialism......

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I'm in. Just let me know when it's time to hide my financies and my girl friend(s).
I think this is a great idea as long as we can leave the mother and gay solsocialist arguement for whan we form our new congress!


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WarEr4Christ wrote:
American Education Revamp Act of 2011 (first proposed bill) With the steady decline of the American Educational System, the AERA hopes to change the present, traditional mindset of the current Education System. By instituting this act we will begin by first requesting the POTUS to call all Fortune 500 CEO's to Washington for the purpose of a joint and open hearing on Education and funding. This present bill and it's funding will be brought forth as a recommendation for discussion, with the results to fund the bill. The Congress of the U.S. hereby states that upon approval, this bill will be continually funded by any company foreign or domestic, doing business within our borders. The US Congress will authorize .5% of the GDP will be set aside and UNTOUCHABLE for the purpose of education. The Fortune 500 and beyond will be asked to include .5% of their GDP into the same fund that will fund teachers salaries, and school operations, and technologies. The Fortune 500 and beyond will also be asked to contribute .5% of GDP towards a Scholarship Fund, that will help provide College Tuition for all students that qualify on a GPA based level. Said GPA level will be 2.0 (C average for Community Colleges) 3.0 and above for State Colleges. Sports scholarships will be funded by said colleges.
Once the funding portion of the bill has been addressed and agreed upon, the next step is to discuss the proposal with NEA, and other Teaching associations in order to come to a common understand and plan for institution. Congressional Recommendation is 52 weeks a year of education, with one week off per quarter. Educational Standards will revolve around English, Math, Sciences, and Reading as the main core for education with secondary courses in socio-economics, government/history.

I agree with most of this except I do not believe Social Sciences should take second fiddle (perhaps I am biased as I will be teaching History/ Social Studies starting next year). I also believe that it would be wise to create some kind of dual track system perhaps similar to the German model.

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Separation of Church and State has NOTHING to do with the use of Christian objects or images in government run buildings. It has nothing to do with the word GOD being written on our currency, it has nothing to do with using the Bible to try and invoke honesty from an individual taking public office or who is about to testify.

And you know this Pablo, or at least you should.

The separation of Church and State is about the Church of England, which was a belief system started and mandated by Englands monarchy previous to the Revolutionary War. When the term "separation of Church and State" was first written, it was to drive home the point that our fledgling country and its government would not CREATE a religion and force the citizens to abide by it.

So, if you want to have Bibles taken out of the context of a courtroom, or an oath of office, fine. If you want images of the Ten Commandments removed from outside courtrooms and government buildings, I don't have a problem with it. But please, don't do it under the misguided notion of some lawyers interpretation of "separation of Church and State", because that was NEVER, NEVER the intention of that premise.

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