This basically sums it up... I find it funny that people cite polls that "X% of Americans think that the rich should pay more..." I think it's hilarious and comical that they actually think it is a point worth making to say that some wants someone else to pay their bills for them... BRILLIANT!!!

Source?

While in YOUR opinion it may be a "Pretty Good Expl. of the OWS crowd..." it really isn't and IMO your constant droning of this information just shows your ignorance as to what the OWS peeps are really about (I've posted links/sources several times with NO rebuttals), but no worries I don't expect you and those like you to actually read and research it, just keep on passing the corporate line.

PS: Also, shouldn't this be in the OWS thread? Why start another topic?

Wags, you don't need a "source" for something that states your beliefs. I'm not saying that "this expert" thinks the OWS crowd stands for the above statements, I'm saying that this is what I think the OWS crowd stands for. I think it is a good summary of what they want, and the problems with what they want. It rings true to me in so many ways. You can't argue the problem with the legitimacy of the claim that "the majority of Americans want to tax the rich more..." That IS by definition a majority of people stating that they want someone else to pay their bills, but somehow that's over looked for some ridiculous argument of "Democracy."

You've posted a couple of articulate positions from a SMALL HANDFUL of people that are more inline with mainstream America. Much, much more of the movement has the mind-set I depict below. Did you go down to Occupy Detroit? I did, RIDICULOUS!!! Have you watched the interviews or looked at the ridiculous signs these idiots have at their "movement" rallys/protests?

This is both ironic and entirely wrong.

Its ironic, because really OWS at its core represents a hatred of people who are getting "free stuff"--ie, bailed out mega banks.

Its wrong because the people who are getting the free stuff (I assume by this you mean welfare babies) are not the ones protesting. The people protesting are largely middle class white kids who don't get welfare.

EDIT:

This piece may be an accurate picture of say, Greece. But isn't of the US. In Europe, they're actually cutting benefits (or strongly threatening too) here, we haven't cut anything nor have we promised to. OWS is about a general sense that the American Dream and fairness are dead in the US.

EDIT2:

I should add that I don't support movement. However, I hate gross oversimplifications, especially ones like this where the author doesn't even "get it."

What about "free stuff" like forgiveness of debt, student loans, etc. A lot of these kids are middle class kids, but check out of many of them are collecting unemployment, and have foodstamps. You'll find that the majority of these hippie wannabees definitely want "free stuff." They want a large nanny state, "free healthcare," entitlement programs, etc. They want to live without making a living.

And still, I would love for someone to address the philosophical problem with the "majority" of "Americans" wanting to tax "the rich" more... Again, I think the majority off all of us would vote for someone else to pay a higher percentage of their bills... Ridiculous...

I've always found it funny that this movement was started by a bunch of Canadians. They must be laughing their @$$es off at us Yanks!

Still waiting for sources of these "facts"


This has been discussed adnaseum, perhaps you missed it. Try searching the forums.

Wags, look at their damn signs! "Forgive Student Loans" is a common one, "Forgive Credit Card Debt," "Credit Cards Enslave Us," etc. Just because the left-wing media doesn't "write" about it, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Listen to the Youtube videos of these clowns. They want to live on the street for free, eat for free, be taken care of for free, and they cry "FOUL!" when someone kicks them out of a park. I can't go sleep at Grosse Pointes City Hall whenever I want, why should they get to in the name of some "protest." The act of sleeping isn't part of the protest, it doesn't inhibit their speech to make them go home at night. Does it show a stronger stance? Sure, does it "inhibit" thier message? HELL NO! FFS! You can't argue that a "movent" doesn't want free stuff when the movement is TAKING free stuff. They're getting free food, free stays, free clothing, and they want MORE. They're TAKING from the parks, land owners, businesses, and cities and providing NOTHING in return. They've cost the City of NY something like $14 million already, and that's only "real cost," not aggregate costs to businesses.


You show me where the idea of taxing the rich is akin to having other people pay your bills on here. The idea of taxing the rich is all over this board, but the idea that it really is just passing your bills onto another sect of society is largely over-looked.

Are there SOME people as you describe? Yes, of course, however I don't see where they are in the MAJORITY. That is where I have issue with what you and sly and others are spewing; your knowingly taking the minority and trying to say that is the majority opinion. That would be akin to someone taking what the racist TEA partiers and saying that is what all TEA partiers want.

Sadly those who share your opinion can't seem to grasp this.

Ok, perhaps we need to back up on this topic as I'm not sure exactly what you're asking for here. Are you wanting to know why some people are in favor of raising taxes on a subsection of our population? or are you saying that those that are in favor of raising taxes are doing so just so they can have 'free stuff'?

My whole point is that the whole argument that the "majority of Americans" want to raise taxes on the rich is disingenuous. Asking "Would you like the top 1%, 10%, etc. to pay more taxes?" is the SAME THING as asking "Would you like someone else to pay your bills for you?" Of course the majority are going to say "yes."

So, basically what you're saying is that in humans, the human condition will usually take over? Um, ok I guess. Seems a bit redundant to me, unless you're just wanting to vent about the human condition.........

All that being said, I'm quite sure the reports and statistics coming out about how those in the top 1% have seem their personal income increase substantially while those in the middle have seen their income stagnate, has something to do with that thought process as well. And yes, the top 1% also includes our elected political heroes so they too are part of the problem; is it no wonder then that they will never vote to increase their own taxes???

I would like to see how many of our political leaders are actually in the top 1%. I think you'd be shocked. Some have married into it (McCain, Kerry), but I think most are more in the top 7-20% range.

I'm not complaining about the human condition, I'm complaining that anyone would make that argument in support of going forward with the tax hike. The fact that "the majority of Americans" want it should be moot, of course they do, it's something for nothing.

The point has been made over and over, sure the top 1% have seen their income go up, but their has also been a lot of transition within that "top 1%." "The top 1%" isn't one set group of people, as the Left like to pretend. They basically are portraying this as if one group is preying upon the rest of society and prospering by it, but the truth of the matter is that the top 1% is a transient group and that group of the people doing the best is just outperforming everyone else. The Left seeks to bring them back down to our level, but not by raising everyone else up to that level, but by bringing them down. That just seems silly to me. It's like putting ankel weights on Olympians to even out the competition.

Here ya go, wjb:

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Meehan, Patrick L. House R PA $250,009
Fattah, Chaka House D PA $250,001
Miller, Brad House D NC $248,514
Collins, Susan Senate R ME $247,502
Walz, Timothy J. House D MN $247,502
Guinta, Frank House R NH $246,007
Jordan, James D. House R OH $240,504
King, Steven A. House R IA $240,001
Towns, Edolphus House D NY $239,506
Austria, Steve C. House R OH $231,004
Walberg, Tim House R MI $225,511
Jones Jr., Walter B. House R NC $224,503
Miller, Jeff House R FL $223,501
Schakowsky, Jan House D IL $223,012
Sanchez, Linda House D CA $218,009
Lankford, James House R OK $217,509
Crowley, Joseph House D NY $211,009
Scott, Robert C. House D VA $209,025
Griffith, Morgan House R VA $203,501
Engel, Eliot L. House D NY $199,002
Lewis, Jerry House R CA $195,000
Ryan, Tim House D OH $191,502
Sires, Albio House D NJ $188,503
West, Allen B. House R FL $176,003
Doyle, Mike House D PA $175,000
Gibson, Chris House R NY $175,000
Sullivan, John House R OK $175,000
Donnelly, Joe House D IN $174,005
Grijalva, Raul M. House D AZ $163,504
Myrick, Sue House R NC $162,004
Akin, Todd House R MO $160,508
Crawford, Rick House R AR $158,001
Harper, Gregg House R MS $158,001
King, Pete House R NY $158,001
Gerlach, Jim House R PA $154,003
Higgins, Brian M. House D NY $146,005
Kinzinger, Adam House R IL $137,504
Poe, Ted House R TX $136,507
Wicker, Roger Senate R MS $133,008
Leahy, Patrick Senate D VT $129,503
Lamborn, Douglas L. House R CO $129,503
Neal, Richard E. House D MA $126,505
McIntyre, Mike House D NC $124,503
McKeon, Howard P. House R CA $117,500
Young, C. W. Bill House R FL $115,501
Capps, Lois House D CA $113,006
Gardner, Cory House R CO $105,506
Davis, Geoff House R KY $105,502
Clarke, Yvette D. House D NY $105,003
Schock, Aaron House R IL $100,913
Hurt, Robert House R VA $99,002
Kissell, Larry House D NC $94,004
Murphy, Christopher S. House D CT $90,503
Pence, Mike House R IN $90,007
Kirk, Mark Senate R IL $89,002
McCollum, Betty House D MN $88,005
Baucus, Max Senate D MT $85,005
Platts, Todd House R PA $84,007
Barton, Joe House R TX $81,002
Marino, Tom House R PA $75,478
Lewis, John House D GA $72,004
Heinrich, Martin House D NM $69,507
Flake, Jeff House R AZ $65,001
Young, Todd House R IN $65,001
McClintock, Tom House R CA $64,502
Gonzalez, Charlie A. House D TX $58,501
Hoyer, Steny H. House D MD $57,002
Gowdy, Trey House R SC $56,502
Johnson, Sam House R TX $48,501
Smith, Chris House R NJ $45,967
Quigley, Mike House D IL $42,500
DeMint, James W. Senate R SC $40,501
Bishop, Rob House R UT $40,501
Lujan, Ben R. House D NM $40,501
Moore, Gwen House D WI $40,002
Lungren, Dan House R CA $36,001
Kucinich, Dennis J. House D OH $33,503
Hultgren, Randy House R IL $32,500
Serrano, Jose E. House D NY $32,500
Clay Jr., William L. House D MO $32,002
Edwards, Donna House D MD $30,921
Nadler, Jerrold House D NY $28,001
Baca, Joe House D CA $24,502
Walsh, Joe House R IL $24,502
Richmond, Cedric L. House D LA $19,001
Adams, Sandy House R FL $17,002
Lee, Mike Senate R UT $16,001
McNerney, Jerry House D CA $9,001
Johnson, Eddie Bernice House D TX $8,501
Pryor, Mark Senate D AR $8,500
Herrera, Jaime House R WA $8,000
Reyes, Silvestre House D TX $8,000
Rivera, David House R FL $8,000
Tonko, Paul House D NY $8,000
Brown, Corrine House D FL $3,501
Hunter, Duncan D. House R CA $0
Johnson, Hank House D GA $0
Meeks, Gregory W. House D NY $0
Rush, Bobby L. House D IL $0
Ellison, Keith House D MN -$14,497
Scalise, Steve House R LA -$20,498
Griffin, Tim House R AR -$24,498
Carson, Andre House D IN -$25,998
Schultz, Debbie Wasserman House D FL -$27,496
Labrador, Raul House R ID -$31,998
Stabenow, Deborah Ann Senate D MI -$32,500
Diaz-Balart, Mario House R FL -$32,500
Israel, Steve House D NY -$55,000
Stutzman, Marlin A. House R IN -$84,495
Ellmers, Renee House R NC -$91,497
Yoder, Kevin W. House R KS -$91,998
Napolitano, Grace House D CA -$91,999
Noem, Kristi Lynn House R SD -$111,996
Conyers Jr., John House D MI -$120,001
Velazquez, Nydia M. House D NY -$146,999
Gohmert Jr., Louis B. House R TX -$150,001
Bishop Jr., Sanford D. House D GA -$159,496
Duffy, Sean P. House R WI -$167,497
Sewell, Terri House D AL -$173,493
Richardson, Laura House D CA -$383,496
Hinojosa, Ruben House D TX -$2,500,488
Fincher, Steve House R TN -$3,302,503
Hastings, Alcee L. House D FL -$4,732,002

"When the people find they can vote themselves money,
that will herald the end of the republic."


Quote by: Benjamin Franklin