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Post Who is the "lamestream" media?
We have been hearing this term for years and I'm wondering what exactly constitutes a source as being part of the "lamestream media". For example, the Right/Repubs often refer to MSNBC, CNN, etc as 'lamestream' but not Fox. And the same goes for the Left/Dems, they like to refer to Fox in the same light, but not MSNBC, CNN. So it seems to me as though the "lamestream media" is perhaps just a source that doesn't happen to share a person's particular political bias. Which, if true, basically makes the term more typical political blathering BS.

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I always took it as a news sourse whos political agenda was more important than just giving the truth and letting the reciever of said information make up thier own minds.

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We have been hearing this term for years and I'm wondering what exactly constitutes a source as being part of the "lamestream media". For example, the Right/Repubs often refer to MSNBC, CNN, etc as 'lamestream' but not Fox. And the same goes for the Left/Dems, they like to refer to Fox in the same light, but not MSNBC, CNN. So it seems to me as though the "lamestream media" is perhaps just a source that doesn't happen to share a person's particular political bias. Which, if true, basically makes the term more typical political blathering BS.

Thoughts?


Lamestream Media refers to left leaning news organizations (which are the majority). Combine "Mainstream" and "Left" and throw in some "Lame" according to conservatives.

This is a term driven by right/conservative talk shows and regurgitated by their followers.

It is all rather silly, I tend to try to get more of a global news perspective but even there you get left or right leaning tendancies. Got to put your own filter on it.

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the lamestream media is any news source or media outlet who doesn't believe the same as the person who is using the term at that time.

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The lamestream media consists of NBC (Nothing But Commies), CBS (See BS), ABC (Anarchists, Bolsheviks, and Communists), CNN (Communist News Nework), MSNBC (Most Socialist Network on Basic Cable), New York Slimes, Washington Compost, A-hole Progressives, and a number of other far left members of the media. They're entrusted to be unbiased and objective with the news, but they have been anything but since atleast the Wakter Cronkite era. Anyone who believes otherwise is blind, ignorant, or a leftist ideologue.

Recently, Brian Williams of NBC News vilified Governor Brewer of Arizona for sticking her finger in the face of Obama after he insulted her for writing bad things about him in her book. He insisted that nobody should ever disrespect a sitting President. However, he convieniently forgot that he shoved his own finger in President Bush's face during an interview several years earlier. Can anyone say hypocrisy?

If we go back a couple of months, we should all remember the beating that Herman Cain took based upon some sexual harrasment allegations. They were the lead story on every "lamestream" media newscast and on the front page of every libtard newspaper. Compare that to the coverage of Bill Clinton's affair with Gennifer Flowers leading up to the 1992 election. There was hardly a peep about it, because the lamestream media swept it under the rug to protect their favored candidate.

This leads me to the "Guess the Party" Game. The AP writes most national stories, which are then circulated to the rest of the newspapers throughout the country. If a politician is arrested, it's easy to determine their party affiliation even when it's not stated. If a Republican is arrested, the party is named in the headline and repeated 4-5 times throughout the entire article. If a Democrat is arrested, the party affiliation won't be mentioned until the 4th or 5th paragraph, if at all. If you don't believe me, check it out for yourself. It is rather blatant.

Getting back to Brian Wiliams, did you know that he has never uttered the words, "Fast and Furious" during the NBC Nightly News? It's true. Atleast CBS has shown some journalistic integrity by reporting on this scandal, but they are the exception and not the rule. The saddest part is that when the American public is bombarded with negative campaign ads in October, it's gonna be the first time that most of them ever heard about Solyndra, Light-Squared, Ener1, and the rest of the corruption of this regime. That's a failure of the news media of doing their job, no matter how they wish to spin it.

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Do you consider Fox News to be fair and balanced, Sly?


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Do you consider Fox News to be fair and balanced, Sly?


I know you asked Sly, but I'd like to say - I don't think they are "fair and balanced" per se, but I do think that they are the MOST fair and the MOST balanced. On Liberal networks you don't even hear half of the stories that you hear on Fox. They just seep their crap under the rug. Fox doesn't (and can't) do that. Additionally, they have actual REAL Liberals on their shows, and not just for canon fodder. The same can't be said for left-leaning networks. Finally, the "pundits" on Fox (Bill O, Hannity, etc.) self-identify as Republicans, and don't pretend to not have an agenda.


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Do you consider Fox News to be fair and balanced, Sly?


I know you asked Sly, but I'd like to say - I don't think they are "fair and balanced" per se, but I do think that they are the MOST fair and the MOST balanced. On Liberal networks you don't even hear half of the stories that you hear on Fox. They just seep their crap under the rug. Fox doesn't (and can't) do that. Additionally, they have actual REAL Liberals on their shows, and not just for canon fodder. The same can't be said for left-leaning networks. Finally, the "pundits" on Fox (Bill O, Hannity, etc.) self-identify as Republicans, and don't pretend to not have an agenda.


The second part of your argument isn't true at all. For example, while Hannity identifies as a Republican, O'Reily steadfastly claims to be neutral--he even calls his program the "No Spin Zone." Likewise, while you have like Chris Matthews claiming to be neutral, MSNBC's Schultz and O'Donnell blatantly identify as liberals--O'Donnell even admits to being a socialist.

The major TV networks should be viewed as entertainment and entertainment only--not as a source of news. If you want an unbiased perspective, you need to look to the internet. You can get a better picture of what's going on with twitter than you can with cable TV.

I don't blame the TV networks. The sad fact is that Americans want news that reinforce their own beliefs. Just an unfortunate part of human psychology. The networks have adapted themselves to this because they want ratings. CNN, which tried to stay neutral for as long as possible, became the least watched of the major networks.


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[quote="Blueskies"]The second part of your argument isn't true at all. For example, while Hannity identifies as a Republican, O'Reily steadfastly claims to be neutral--he even calls his program the "No Spin Zone." Likewise, while you have like Chris Matthews claiming to be neutral, MSNBC's Schultz and O'Donnell blatantly identify as liberals--O'Donnell even admits to being a socialist.

The major TV networks should be viewed as entertainment and entertainment only--not as a source of news. If you want an unbiased perspective, you need to look to the internet. You can get a better picture of what's going on with twitter than you can with cable TV.

I don't blame the TV networks. The sad fact is that Americans [b]want[/b] news that reinforce their own beliefs. Just an unfortunate part of human psychology. The networks have adapted themselves to this because they want ratings. CNN, which tried to stay neutral for as long as possible, became the least watched of the major networks.[/quote]


You couldn't be more wrong about Bill O. He admits that he's a pundit, and only calls his show "fair and balanced" because he brings in a Liberal voice to debate him. What I like about Bill is that he isn't a pure ideologue. He readily admits fault with the republican party, speaks out against the oil industry and calls for regulation, and regularly finds fault with Right-leaning leaders where he sees fit.

I couldn't disagree more about people wanting news that reinforces their beliefs. If that were the case Fox wouldn't be tyre most popular news network on television. People watch the news to get educated on the issues, which is why they HAVE to turn to Fox (our the internet, but you have to be careful with internet content). If you don't ruth to Fox you only get one side of the story.


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Do you consider Fox News to be fair and balanced, Sly?


Well, I consider it to be more fair and balanced than most other networks on TV. Of course, it's the only one that leans right, and that's why it's constantly attacked by liberals and the other networks. They simply don't want their narrative to be "balanced" by the other side.

As for Bill O'Reilly, he is a registered Independent. While most of his views are conservative, he doesn't carry the water for either political party. Sean Hannity, on the other hand, is as conservative Republican as they get on TV, and he doesn't even attempt to hide it. The jury is still out on Greta Van Susteren though. She seems to be conservative on most issues, but leans liberal on others. The same could be said for Shepard Smith.

Fox News has also given a show to the liberal Geraldo Rivera, and gives a voice to others like Bob Beckel, Juan Williams, Alan Colmes, Kirsten Powers, and many more. While most of their contributors are indeed conservatives, they atleast give airtime to the other side on a regular basis.

Last but not least, it certainly is no surprise that Fox News is the #1 rated cable news station for ten years running now. In fact, their audience is often greater than CNN, MSNBC, and CNN Headline News combined. I also found it funny that the O'Reilly Factor beat out NBC's Rock Center with Brian Williams in number of viewers last week. People are tired of the liberal spin from much of the news media and are tuning them out. The ratings continue to fall for the network news broadcasts and most newspapers are in financial trouble. The New York Times lost close to $40M last year and the liberal rag Newsweek sold for one dollar just over a year ago. I like to call this the Dinosaur Media Death Watch and it can't come soon enough.

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You couldn't be more wrong about Bill O. He admits that he's a pundit, and only calls his show "fair and balanced" because he brings in a Liberal voice to debate him. What I like about Bill is that he isn't a pure ideologue. He readily admits fault with the republican party, speaks out against the oil industry and calls for regulation, and regularly finds fault with Right-leaning leaders where he sees fit.


Yes, he brings in guests who are generally weak at defending their points, asks them open-ended and baiting questions and then gives them five seconds to respond. Occasionally cutting off mics when the guest says something particularly intelligent. I used to watch Bill every day for a year, I found his general douchebagness to be quite entertaining in a strange way. Like watching a more intellectual version of Jackass.

He admits that he is a pundit, but does he ever identify as a conservative? Please show me a video or a recording of him having identified as such. As Sly said he's a registered independent.

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I couldn't disagree more about people wanting news that reinforces their beliefs. If that were the case Fox wouldn't be tyre most popular news network on television


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it certainly is no surprise that Fox News is the #1 rated cable news station for ten years running now. In fact, their audience is often greater than CNN, MSNBC, and CNN Headline News combined. I also found it funny that the O'Reilly Factor beat out NBC's Rock Center with Brian Williams in number of viewers last week. People are tired of the liberal spin from much of the news media and are tuning them out. The ratings continue to fall for the network news broadcasts and most newspapers are in financial trouble. The New York Times lost close to $40M last year and the liberal rag Newsweek sold for one dollar just over a year ago. I like to call this the Dinosaur Media Death Watch and it can't come soon enough.


While its impossible to be sure, I'm quite confident that there's a logical narrative to explain why Fox is doing well and the other networks/print media are dying off. Most of the people who share the beliefs of MSNBC either 1) Don't watch the news or 2) Get their news from places like Salon.com or Huffington Post.

Fox's core demographic--older, conservative viewers still turn to the TV as their primary source of news. This is why Fox is dominating and will likely remain dominant for years.


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Good theory on the reasons Fox is #1. Having gone back to college as a journalism major, I'm seeing a different generation's take on issues and I have a completely different theory.

1 - Despite the polling that says the majority is independents, followed by dems then conservatives, I believe that most of the country is conservative, but registers independant to avoid feeling like their identifying behind a party. They want to be seen as having independence.

2 - The majority of democrats get their numbers in tight, confined urban areas. There's a higher poverty rate and with the democrats professing more "services" for that poor population, they will never give up their hand outs. In the biggest states population wise like NY and Cali, those population centers carry elections. The downside for the ratings, but huge upside for the dems is that same population is even more poor in the education aspect, so they're easier to sway. Simple tactics such as leaving major parts of stories out or ignoring stories entirely are extremely effective on that crowd. Have them focus on reality shows and only pay attention when its time for elections and you control the populace.

Luckily, even the current college students are being taught more critical thinking (at least where I'm going), so they learning on their own that the "talk" is just that, talk.


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You couldn't be more wrong about Bill O. He admits that he's a pundit, and only calls his show "fair and balanced" because he brings in a Liberal voice to debate him. What I like about Bill is that he isn't a pure ideologue. He readily admits fault with the republican party, speaks out against the oil industry and calls for regulation, and regularly finds fault with Right-leaning leaders where he sees fit.


Yes, he brings in guests who are generally weak at defending their points, asks them open-ended and baiting questions and then gives them five seconds to respond. Occasionally cutting off mics when the guest says something particularly intelligent. I used to watch Bill every day for a year, I found his general douchebagness to be quite entertaining in a strange way. Like watching a more intellectual version of Jackass.

He admits that he is a pundit, but does he ever identify as a conservative? Please show me a video or a recording of him having identified as such. As Sly said he's a registered independent.

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I couldn't disagree more about people wanting news that reinforces their beliefs. If that were the case Fox wouldn't be tyre most popular news network on television


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it certainly is no surprise that Fox News is the #1 rated cable news station for ten years running now. In fact, their audience is often greater than CNN, MSNBC, and CNN Headline News combined. I also found it funny that the O'Reilly Factor beat out NBC's Rock Center with Brian Williams in number of viewers last week. People are tired of the liberal spin from much of the news media and are tuning them out. The ratings continue to fall for the network news broadcasts and most newspapers are in financial trouble. The New York Times lost close to $40M last year and the liberal rag Newsweek sold for one dollar just over a year ago. I like to call this the Dinosaur Media Death Watch and it can't come soon enough.


While its impossible to be sure, I'm quite confident that there's a logical narrative to explain why Fox is doing well and the other networks/print media are dying off. Most of the people who share the beliefs of MSNBC either 1) Don't watch the news or 2) Get their news from places like Salon.com or Huffington Post.

Fox's core demographic--older, conservative viewers still turn to the TV as their primary source of news. This is why Fox is dominating and will likely remain dominant for years.



Bill O doesn't identify as a "Conservative" but he readily identifies as "right leaning." Bill O isn't lock-step with the Conservative Party, otherwise I think he would properly identify himself as such. He calls people "religious whackos" all the time, on both sides of the isle, speaks for governemnt reform, regulation, speaks out against big business, and calls out "Conservative" "Republican" and even right leaning politicians.

I can't agree that Fox's demographic is "older." They have a large following of younger viewers. To the point where I believe it is the only credible news outlet on TV that actively markets to young people by way of shows like Red Eye and The Five. You think all of those hot women are on Fox for the 60+ crowd that can't get it upanymore?


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so am I alone in thinking that shows like frontline (PBS) and bbs news are pretty unbiased and fair?

never been a fan of major broadcasted american news..at least not in the past 20 years or so. But I have always found those 2 news sources to be brutally honest...

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the lamestream media is any news source or media outlet who doesn't believe the same as the person who is using the term at that time.

next question.....

That's what I was thinking. IMO there is plenty of proof to that in this thread

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