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Chasing Mario Williams is silly. I hope this is just a rumor to put pressure on Avril.

I get the feeling that today they are going to gently wade into the pool, not do a cannonball. I was really hoping they could have CJ and Avril under a new contract right now but it is what it is I guess. Just sucks that they can't make a play for Finnegan, Carr, Gaither, etc. without money to spend. There's a ton of our own FA too that need to be accounted for like BOTH Hills, etc. I think there won't be any major splashes coming from the Lions this year. They'll have to hope that they can get Tulloch and Wright under contract and maybe find more Chris Houston types of players that just needed a change of scenery to get back on track again.

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March 13th, 2012, 1:17 pm
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Is it me or does the restructure of Stafford for a second straight year really point to a new CJ deal this year and soon?


March 13th, 2012, 1:44 pm
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Is it me or does the restructure of Stafford for a second straight year really point to a new CJ deal this year and soon?


They were probably working on a new contract for Calvin long before Stafford and Suh restructured their deals. An extension for CJ simply must happen if the Lions plan to be players in free agency. If they can get Calvin's extension completed in the next few days, they can make some moves--retaining Tulloch, Wright, Backus, etc. If Calvin's deal takes much longer, those guys will move on and the Lions will have to look to the draft for replacements.

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aManNamedSuh wrote:
Is it me or does the restructure of Stafford for a second straight year really point to a new CJ deal this year and soon?


They were probably working on a new contract for Calvin long before Stafford and Suh restructured their deals. An extension for CJ simply must happen if the Lions plan to be players in free agency. If they can get Calvin's extension completed in the next few days, they can make some moves--retaining Tulloch, Wright, Backus, etc. If Calvin's deal takes much longer, those guys will move on and the Lions will have to look to the draft for replacements.


And who knows how long those guys, Tulloch especially, will be on the market. Hopefully they dont sign with another team before Calvin gets a new deal.

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March 13th, 2012, 2:28 pm
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mwill2 wrote:
aManNamedSuh wrote:
Is it me or does the restructure of Stafford for a second straight year really point to a new CJ deal this year and soon?


They were probably working on a new contract for Calvin long before Stafford and Suh restructured their deals. An extension for CJ simply must happen if the Lions plan to be players in free agency. If they can get Calvin's extension completed in the next few days, they can make some moves--retaining Tulloch, Wright, Backus, etc. If Calvin's deal takes much longer, those guys will move on and the Lions will have to look to the draft for replacements.


Which leads me to a question about Stafford. He restructured last year and again this year. If he added a year to his contract each time, he should have about 4 years left on his deal then. Is this right? If so, we don't have to worry about extending him anytime soon.


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If the Lions can manage to resign our own FA's and then wait until after the draft, I am telling you. There are going to be some very good players out there that can be had for peanuts.


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BillySims wrote:
mwill2 wrote:
aManNamedSuh wrote:
Is it me or does the restructure of Stafford for a second straight year really point to a new CJ deal this year and soon?


They were probably working on a new contract for Calvin long before Stafford and Suh restructured their deals. An extension for CJ simply must happen if the Lions plan to be players in free agency. If they can get Calvin's extension completed in the next few days, they can make some moves--retaining Tulloch, Wright, Backus, etc. If Calvin's deal takes much longer, those guys will move on and the Lions will have to look to the draft for replacements.


Which leads me to a question about Stafford. He restructured last year and again this year. If he added a year to his contract each time, he should have about 4 years left on his deal then. Is this right? If so, we don't have to worry about extending him anytime soon.


Stafford didn't add years to his deal. Lions just pushing cap charge to end of rookie deal.

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Which will all disappear when they make a new deal next year.


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March 13th, 2012, 8:06 pm
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March 15, 2012 at 1:17 am
Signing free agents Lions' next task
By Chris McCosky
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Linebacker Stephen Tulloch tops the list of free agents the Lions want to retain. (Daniel Mears/Detroit News)

Allen Park— Now what?

With Calvin Johnson's new eight-year deal secured, the Lions have another $9 million to work with as they try to sign their free agents and possibly a couple from other teams.

It's tough to get an exact number on how much the team is below the $120.6 million salary cap, but here's an educated guess — around $15 million.

They were $11.6 million over before they saved $16 million by restructuring the contracts of Nate Burleson, Matthew Stafford and Ndamukong Suh. That $4.4 million plus the $9 million from Johnson's deal put them at $13.4 million.

The Lions also had a $1.47 million salary cap rollover from last season, an additional $1.6 million accrued from the sanctions against the Cowboys and Redskins, they borrowed $1.5 million off a future cap and, if they wanted to, could get another $1.5 million by using cap credits on three players with five or more accrued years of service.

So that, assuming no other players have been released, would put them about $19.5 million under. You have to then subtract roughly $4.5 million for the tendered contracts to restricted free agents DeAndre Levy, Sammie Hill and Corey Hillard and, best guess, the Lions have $15 million in cap space.

"I don't see any other reason to play the game if not to win the Super Bowl," Johnson said. "We have a great squad and maybe we can get one or two more players that can get us over that edge. I have opinions on who we need, but those are just my opinions."

He said he had great faith in general manager Martin Mayhew and president Tom Lewand.

"I was talking to Jim (Schwartz), Tom, all of the guys up there, all we were talking about was how we're happy just to have this done so that we can make moves, bring in some guys," Johnson said. "As far as who we're going to bring in, I don't know. There's a lot of talk but they've been doing a great job the last two years; I don't see why it would stop now."

The first priority, as stated by Mayhew, was to re-sign their free agents, namely linebacker Stephen Tulloch, left tackle Jeff Backus and backup quarterback Shaun Hill.

The Lions lost starting cornerback Eric Wright to the Buccaneers for a five-year, $37.5 million deal with a $15.5 million guarantee.

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Ted Ginn Jr. , a speedy receiver and return specialist, was expected to visit the Lions either Wednesday or today. He played for the 49ers last season.

… Former Lions offensive lineman Leonard Davis visited the 49ers on Wednesday.

… Johnson, who battled Achilles tendon soreness the final four weeks of the season, said he was ready and fit to begin his offseason training regimen. "It's healing up," he said. "One of the reasons for me not playing (in the Pro Bowl) was to give myself time.

"The offseason goes so fast, you don't want to come back into season with anything nagging."



Sly, Does that $15 Mil number sound about right to you?

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According to PFT we have $4.5 million left in cap space.


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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/30/team-by-team-cap-room-as-of-march-30/


According to PFT we have $4.5 million left in cap space.



That's probably about right. We'll need that to sign our rookie's from the draft.

Avril counts as $10.6 Million right now. If we can get him to do a long term deal it would be more cap friendly (around $5 Mil) then that would free up some more space.

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I wish Avril would realize he's hurting the team with his demands.

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I wish Avril would realize he's hurting the team with his demands.


One could easily say the same thing about Calvin, Tulloch, Suh, Stafford.....any of the players getting big money. I don't see them stepping up to lower their incomes. Why doesn't Corey Williams take one for the team? His salary seems a bit high for essentially the fourth DT in our rotation.

In truth, we don't exactly know what Cliff's demands are. Is he asking for $12M per year, or $8M per year? Are the Lions only offering $4M per year? We just don't know the specifics, so we can't automatically blame Avril.

That said, it does seem that the Lions have been more than fair with their free agents the past few seasons, and so I can understand the assumption Avril is the one being greedy here. However, in the NFL a player needs to get whatever money he can, when he can. That is not to say I side with Avril, just that I understand his position. The business end of the game has nothing to do with the team. Even those players who restructure their deals will say they are helping the team, but in truth they are helping themselves. I would gladly allow my employer to take my salary for the next year and give it to me now as a bonus. Once that money is in my hand, they aren't getting it back. So to think that a player like Suh or Stafford is doing that just with the best interests of the team at heart is a bit short sighted.

The Lions have to pick a ceiling for their offer. If Avril won't take it, regardless of what deals other teams are offering to other players at his position, then they need to make alternative plans. Avril doesn't want to play the season on the franchise tag, simply because the money is not guaranteed. But at the same time, Avril's trade value may never be higher than it is right now. The Lions want him to sign a long term deal so that they can go out and get more players and pay them, not Avril. Yes, Avril will be part of a better team, and they may go further in the playoffs. But in the end, he's likely to make more money for himself based on his salary, not on the additional income from the team going further in the playoffs.

Somewhere along the line, Avril and his agent have to realize that with no offers coming from other teams, their contract demands are likely a bit too high for the little that Cliff has accomplished. But truth is, they don't have to be realistic with their contract demands right now. It's still pretty early in the free agent/draft/off-season process for them to start limiting the income. Cliff is thinking of himself right now, and I have a feeling that if we were in his shoes we'd be doing the same thing. I don't like it, and he probably doesn't like it either. But that's the ugly side of football negotiations. You have to do what you have to do.

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Corey restructured last year. Avril can't sniff CJs jock and tulloch took much less than he was "demanding"

So yes, avril is hurting the team by this disillusioned thought that he's worth $10M+

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