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Post Who will drop in the draft?
Every year, there's always one guy who drops like a rock in the draft either from the top 10 or from the first round, sometimes both. Who will be that guy this year and how far will he fall? Thoughts??

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I think you will find one of the tackles, from either side of the line, drop due to the depth of each position early in the draft. At OT in particular, there are some interior guys who also could move outside which could push someone down. I wouldn't be shocked if Mike Adams drops out of the first round completely and could last until the early 40s.

Also, if you look at value I think there is a lot of value at the WR spot in the middle rounds which could push that groups value down early in the draft. I have a first round grade on Kendall Wright but it wouldn't shock me if he slips as well.

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I think you will find one of the tackles, from either side of the line, drop due to the depth of each position early in the draft. At OT in particular, there are some interior guys who also could move outside which could push someone down. I wouldn't be shocked if Mike Adams drops out of the first round completely and could last until the early 40s.

Also, if you look at value I think there is a lot of value at the WR spot in the middle rounds which could push that groups value down early in the draft. I have a first round grade on Kendall Wright but it wouldn't shock me if he slips as well.



I agree completely Pablo. I think Martin will now likely be there when we pick, when he was looking like a top 13 pick for sure in prior weeks, and I also agree that Adams will be there at the end of the first, or maybe even in the 2nd. That's crazy. I think someone may have a J. Best type of situation, where they trade up back into the late first to grab him.

I think most of the early grade WRs are going to be gone early (even Hill and Wright), but I think that WR is a very deep position. I think Cunningham, Martin, and Hemmingway could all be good in the NFL and I can't see them getting picked before round 5. That's a great value, IMO.


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Post Re: Who will drop in the draft?
I've heard a lot of rumblings that Quentin Coples could fall. If he gets to #18, I wouldn't be opposed to moving up to get him (otherwise the Bears might take him at #19).

Of course I don't know why he's rumored to be falling...there might be a good reason to shy away from him...

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I've heard a lot of rumblings that Quentin Coples could fall. If he gets to #18, I wouldn't be opposed to moving up to get him (otherwise the Bears might take him at #19).

Of course I don't know why he's rumored to be falling...there might be a good reason to shy away from him...


Inconsistency and lack of motivation are the reasons draft analysts are lowering his stock and mocking him lower. Same thing with Jon Martin. Analysts are wary of his passive nature, both on and off the field. He's a great technician, but lacks upper body strength and a killer instinct. Quentin Coples has excellent size and quickness, but doesn't use it consistently on the field.

Outside of Janoris Jenkins and Vontaze Burfict being the kings of the vertical drop in the draft this year, I think that either Whitney Mercilus or Nick Perry may fall out of round one, simply because Andre Branch and Chandler Jones are being seen as better fits in a 34 OLB role, and as such they could be taken in round one ahead of those two. Another possible dropper is Courtney Upshaw, who in a couple workouts hasn't really impressed anyone with outstanding athletic skills. He is kind of slow, and doesn't fit the mold of a 34 OLB. At the same time, he has limited experience as a DE. So where does he fit? He may drop into the 20's because of it.

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mwill2 wrote:
I've heard a lot of rumblings that Quentin Coples could fall. If he gets to #18, I wouldn't be opposed to moving up to get him (otherwise the Bears might take him at #19).

Of course I don't know why he's rumored to be falling...there might be a good reason to shy away from him...


Inconsistency and lack of motivation are the reasons draft analysts are lowering his stock and mocking him lower. Same thing with Jon Martin. Analysts are wary of his passive nature, both on and off the field. He's a great technician, but lacks upper body strength and a killer instinct. Quentin Coples has excellent size and quickness, but doesn't use it consistently on the field.


Yeah, I've heard the questions about Coples' motor...but that's always a complaint about DL coming into the draft. Nobody can go full throttle for four quarters as a pass rusher. Those questions arose with Fairley last year and he dropped. I have to wonder if questions about a DL's motor get blown out of proportion just a bit. I confess I haven't seen enough of Coples to make an educated comment about his consistency or effort. Now if he's unmotivated off the field, unwilling to train/condition/practice hard, that's a different matter. Indeed, that could be a big problem.

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m2karateman wrote:
mwill2 wrote:
I've heard a lot of rumblings that Quentin Coples could fall. If he gets to #18, I wouldn't be opposed to moving up to get him (otherwise the Bears might take him at #19).

Of course I don't know why he's rumored to be falling...there might be a good reason to shy away from him...


Inconsistency and lack of motivation are the reasons draft analysts are lowering his stock and mocking him lower. Same thing with Jon Martin. Analysts are wary of his passive nature, both on and off the field. He's a great technician, but lacks upper body strength and a killer instinct. Quentin Coples has excellent size and quickness, but doesn't use it consistently on the field.

Outside of Janoris Jenkins and Vontaze Burfict being the kings of the vertical drop in the draft this year, I think that either Whitney Mercilus or Nick Perry may fall out of round one, simply because Andre Branch and Chandler Jones are being seen as better fits in a 34 OLB role, and as such they could be taken in round one ahead of those two. Another possible dropper is Courtney Upshaw, who in a couple workouts hasn't really impressed anyone with outstanding athletic skills. He is kind of slow, and doesn't fit the mold of a 34 OLB. At the same time, he has limited experience as a DE. So where does he fit? He may drop into the 20's because of it.


I see where you're coming from, but I would have a hard time thinking Mercilus would fall out of round 1.

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Post Re: Who will drop in the draft?
kdsberman wrote:
m2karateman wrote:
mwill2 wrote:
I've heard a lot of rumblings that Quentin Coples could fall. If he gets to #18, I wouldn't be opposed to moving up to get him (otherwise the Bears might take him at #19).

Of course I don't know why he's rumored to be falling...there might be a good reason to shy away from him...


Inconsistency and lack of motivation are the reasons draft analysts are lowering his stock and mocking him lower. Same thing with Jon Martin. Analysts are wary of his passive nature, both on and off the field. He's a great technician, but lacks upper body strength and a killer instinct. Quentin Coples has excellent size and quickness, but doesn't use it consistently on the field.

Outside of Janoris Jenkins and Vontaze Burfict being the kings of the vertical drop in the draft this year, I think that either Whitney Mercilus or Nick Perry may fall out of round one, simply because Andre Branch and Chandler Jones are being seen as better fits in a 34 OLB role, and as such they could be taken in round one ahead of those two. Another possible dropper is Courtney Upshaw, who in a couple workouts hasn't really impressed anyone with outstanding athletic skills. He is kind of slow, and doesn't fit the mold of a 34 OLB. At the same time, he has limited experience as a DE. So where does he fit? He may drop into the 20's because of it.


I see where you're coming from, but I would have a hard time thinking Mercilus would fall out of round 1.


Personally, I think Mercilus is a beast. I wouldn't mind seeing the Lions pick him at 23 if he were there and the CBs plus Mark Barron are gone. However, some feel he is just a one year wonder, and may not be able to generate the same level of success in the NFL. I'd take Mercilus over Perry or Upshaw all day long.....

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i actually really dislike mercilus - i dont see him as a 3 down end and dont like his football instincts or IQ. he gets killed on the run. he put up some totals but he on wheels vs the run as much as anyone else on his defense. perry and upshaw both look like they have a better feel for the game, where the ball is, pursue with better angles and use their hands better than mercilus. id be happy with either but very disappointed if we somehow got mercilus. to me he is okay but overrated


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i actually really dislike mercilus - i dont see him as a 3 down end and dont like his football instincts or IQ. he gets killed on the run. he put up some totals but he on wheels vs the run as much as anyone else on his defense. perry and upshaw both look like they have a better feel for the game, where the ball is, pursue with better angles and use their hands better than mercilus. id be happy with either but very disappointed if we somehow got mercilus. to me he is okay but overrated


Id be ok with Mercilus, but I really like Perry as a pass rusher. At 250lbs though, I kind of wonder if hes anything more than a pass rushing specialist, and also kinda seem him more as a 34 OLB anyway.

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Perry weighs 271 I m not sure where you got your info. Mercilus weighs in at 261. He reminds of Kalimba Edwards with more of a basketball type physique, Perry is a much thicker body and he s much more explosive.


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I think the O-linemen are gonna fall in this one.

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Perry weighs 271 I m not sure where you got your info. Mercilus weighs in at 261. He reminds of Kalimba Edwards with more of a basketball type physique, Perry is a much thicker body and he s much more explosive.


Every "info" ive looked at has him at 250#. Every. I take it he stepped on your bathroom scale this morning?

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Perry weighs 271 I m not sure where you got your info. Mercilus weighs in at 261. He reminds of Kalimba Edwards with more of a basketball type physique, Perry is a much thicker body and he s much more explosive.


Every "info" ive looked at has him at 250#. Every. I take it he stepped on your bathroom scale this morning?


He weighed 271 at the Combine. However, given that he was closer to 250 pounds a year ago, a lot of folks are suspicious about how he gained that weight.

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mwill2 wrote:
kdsberman wrote:
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Perry weighs 271 I m not sure where you got your info. Mercilus weighs in at 261. He reminds of Kalimba Edwards with more of a basketball type physique, Perry is a much thicker body and he s much more explosive.


Every "info" ive looked at has him at 250#. Every. I take it he stepped on your bathroom scale this morning?


He weighed 271 at the Combine. However, given that he was closer to 250 pounds a year ago, a lot of folks are suspicious about how he gained that weight.


mwill is right. His combine weight was 271 lbs. Go onto NFL.com and look up Combines. It will show you his measurements there.

Between Perry and Mercilus I have mixed opinions. Perry never really dominated like Mercilus did. And while I agree that Mercilus has some "holes" in his game, that doesn't mean those aren't fixable. Avril wasn't that great against the run when the Lions drafted him. But as he got bigger and stronger, things started to come together. Now, in the Wide 9 he doesn't play the run the same way (or at all), but he does have the capability.

Mercilus is pretty much the same. When you get a DE, particularly for this defense, you want someone who attacks the passer and creates turnovers. Mercilus is that guy moreso than Perry right now.

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