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Post Re: Welcome to Government Controlled Censorship fellas
I'm seeing a pattern here, let's hope it's not through RED colored glasses.

A lie told often enough becomes the truth. (Vladimir Lenin)
How many lies have been perpetuated in the Obama re-election campaign alone? How many lies has he issued in his 3 year presidency?

Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted. (Vladimir Lenin)

This one alone scares me the most, look at what he's done to the entitlement crowd in 3 years. As recently as last week, removing the work requirement for Welfare. Now the USDA is in cohoots with the Mexican government to promote Foodstamps to Illegals, and "poor Mexican nationals" in the United States. Seriously?

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed. (Vladimir Lenin)

Look at the control that has been instituted right now, during 3 years.
Obamacare
Airline groping agents (don't tell me it HAD to be done) Israel has far greater risks than we do, and they've run a cleaner, safer, more secure system for their nation for more years.

The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency. (Vladimir Lenin)
Debauch: verb
Definition: deprave, corrupt
Synonyms: abuse, bastardize, bestialize, betray, brutalize, debase, defile, deflower, demoralize, fornicate, fraternize, go bad, go to hell, intrigue, inveigle, lead astray, live in the gutter, lure, pervert, pollute, ravish, ruin, seduce, subvert, tempt, violate, vitiate, warp

By spending our way out of debt, the American dollar has lost it's value by at least 1/2. That means that prices have not GONE UP, the amount of dollars needed to pay for the same thing has gone up, because the said dollar value is devalued.

It's pretty clear to me what side of the isle this Comrade stands on!

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July 19th, 2012, 4:00 pm
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Post Re: Welcome to Government Controlled Censorship fellas
Am I missing something here, or does this legislation do nothing but allow the govt. to commandeer lines of communication to be used during times of crisis?

I don't see where this big "censorship" comes into play here, but I may have missed something. Admittedly, I thought the initial article was stupid and poorly written, so I just skimmed through it.


July 19th, 2012, 4:07 pm
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Post Re: Welcome to Government Controlled Censorship fellas
Actually, this is my mistake, I titled the thread incorrectly.

It is my understanding that the government can "Commandeer" the lines, but can also "supervise" what is being said, or visit the communications. I was thinking that this was in line with what Eric was talking about in the Patriot Act, although the Patriot Act did target specific groups of people who represented "religious kooks" and segments of society.

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July 19th, 2012, 5:18 pm
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OK... Under Bush... 9/11, Patriot Act, 2 Wars including proved-false WMD stories, huge tax cuts for the rich that did little to help the economy (evidently), Prescription Drug thing, the financial crisis and the housing crisis.

Now list the debacles under Obama. Healthcare reform? Continuing most of Bush's policies, because undoing some of them would be very costly (in lives and treasure)? What other stuff you got? I mean real things - not socialist/muslim/antichrist fantasies from the political wing of fox news....


July 19th, 2012, 6:44 pm
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Post Re: Welcome to Government Controlled Censorship fellas
wjb21ndtown wrote:
Am I missing something here, or does this legislation do nothing but allow the govt. to commandeer lines of communication to be used during times of crisis?

I don't see where this big "censorship" comes into play here, but I may have missed something. Admittedly, I thought the initial article was stupid and poorly written, so I just skimmed through it.


You are right.


July 19th, 2012, 6:45 pm
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So, I get hopeful about this country but then I see this. Are you guys really arguing Bush vs Obama?

There are/were both terrible presidents. They have governed under largely the same policies.


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Post Re: Welcome to Government Controlled Censorship fellas
Blueskies wrote:
So, I get hopeful about this country but then I see this. Are you guys really arguing Bush vs Obama?

There are/were both terrible presidents. They have governed under largely the same policies.


Bingo!

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July 19th, 2012, 9:33 pm
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regularjoe12 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
So, I get hopeful about this country but then I see this. Are you guys really arguing Bush vs Obama?

There are/were both terrible presidents. They have governed under largely the same policies.


Bingo!


Double bingo. Obama has, in many ways, extended the Bush presidency another 4 years.


July 19th, 2012, 10:30 pm
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OK... Under Bush... 9/11, Patriot Act, 2 Wars including proved-false WMD stories, huge tax cuts for the rich that did little to help the economy (evidently), Prescription Drug thing, the financial crisis and the housing crisis.

Now list the debacles under Obama. Healthcare reform? Continuing most of Bush's policies, because undoing some of them would be very costly (in lives and treasure)? What other stuff you got? I mean real things - not socialist/muslim/antichrist fantasies from the political wing of fox news....


9/11 can be directly related back to the Reagan days when we armed and trained Osama and friends to fight the Russians, only to leave them hanging once they pulled out. Clinton had him in his sights and called off the attack. The blame can be placed on multiple administrations.

Patriot Act was a poor response to 9/11. No argument.

Two Wars including proved-false WMD stories. Wrong. We supplied the WMD's. We knew he had him. Problem was, he had 6 months to move them and that what he didn't move was recovered and shipped to Canada and then the United States in 2006. They weren't going to leave it there to be used again. Most was moved to Syria and notice the big concern about all the WMD's in Syria now? Don't believe the media lie that none was ever recovered. It was kept out of the press when it happened, but was finally revealed by to the media by Wikileaks in 2010.

Huge tax cuts for the rich that didn't help the economy. There were two different types of tax cuts. One worked, one didn't. The one that didn't happened too late because the damage couldn't be reversed. Just look at the economy and how the initial cuts got us out the recession that happened after 9/11.

Prescription drug thing. Poorly implemented, but at least it was an attempt to curtail costs as opposed to changing the system to make it more broke.

Financial and Housing Crisis. That started under Bush? It's a direct result of the repeal of Glass/Steagall by first Carter, then finally Clinton. That started the triple bubble that consecutively burst and caused the current crisis. The tech bubble burst before 9/11 which took the attention off and allowed the financial and housing bubbles to grow beyond control until it was too late to fix correctly. It's nice to put the blame on who it happened under, but these problems started much earlier.

As for things happening under Obama that isn't related to Bush...
1 - Kill lists, granting the ability to target American citizens that are put on a non-transparent list with no oversight. The ability to kill citizens without reason other than being on an arbitrary list should never be in the power of the government. Even traitors have the right to due process as a citizen of the united states.

2 - Obamacare as intended. The way it was written and argued in court, the administration wanted the ability through the commerce clause to be able tell the American citizen what he should buy. The Supreme court made it a tax, so it killed that part, but giving anyone the unlimited power without a limiting principle, whether Democrat or Republican. The fact is they tried.

3 - Huge kickbacks to campaign donors masked in a stimulus bill. I know kickbacks happen in every administration. They always have, always will. The difference is giving out a military contract, grant or loan outright in a spending bill verse trying to deceive people into believing these were programs that would help them out of this economic slump. Timing and perception is everything in this one.

4 - Leaking Israeli plans about attacking Iran, Refusing to help Iranian uprising against an islamic regime, while supporting islamic uprising in Egypt and Libya. The Syrian uprising hasn't gotten any help either. Who's side are we on?

You could of course call all of these fox conspiracies and fantasies, except that they're true. The information is out there if you care to spend the time to do any research.

But I wholly agree with Blue on this, Bush and Obama were and are both bad for this Country. I didn't state any of this as support or show of no support for either President. But false information is false information no matter who it's written about.


July 19th, 2012, 11:01 pm
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Let us not forget Fast and Furious, which happened under the watch of Obama, and didn't start with anyone but his administration. He appointed the criminal known as Eric Holder as his AG.

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Post Re: Welcome to Government Controlled Censorship fellas
I.E. wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
So, I get hopeful about this country but then I see this. Are you guys really arguing Bush vs Obama?

There are/were both terrible presidents. They have governed under largely the same policies.


Bingo!


Double bingo. Obama has, in many ways, extended the Bush presidency another 4 years.


As I have said all along, Coke vs. Pepsi. Funny how so many people think there is a drastic difference between the two - calling all sorts of names, saying one hates the country, etc. The choices are the same, the only difference is the filters some people run them thru.

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Pablo wrote:
I.E. wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
So, I get hopeful about this country but then I see this. Are you guys really arguing Bush vs Obama?

There are/were both terrible presidents. They have governed under largely the same policies.


Bingo!


Double bingo. Obama has, in many ways, extended the Bush presidency another 4 years.


As I have said all along, Coke vs. Pepsi. Funny how so many people think there is a drastic difference between the two - calling all sorts of names, saying one hates the country, etc. The choices are the same, the only difference is the filters some people run them thru.


That's exactly right. And I've said over & over that my filters are religious fanatacism, social justice stuff, and war mongering. So even if they were identical twins (and nearly are), I'd be forced to support the side that least offended my filters.


July 20th, 2012, 1:36 pm
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If you believe that the current two party system is deeply flawed and represents no real choice for America, and yet you continue to participate in it, then you are part of the problem.


July 21st, 2012, 12:41 am
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Blueskies wrote:
If you believe that the current two party system is deeply flawed and represents no real choice for America, and yet you continue to participate in it, then you are part of the problem.


I agree. I've voted for third-party candidates a lot of the time.


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well for one there isn't really a viable, LOGICAL 3rd party.

Ron Paul was not viable, nor LOGICAL, he stated some good points but what candidate doesn't? The thing that you are actually seeing is called a PARADIGM SHIFT, but this is happening on a Societal Level. A paradigm shift is a change in CORE BELIEFS. Obama has been pushing the Big government, European system that is a failed system. Those who have control are those in power and everyone else eats off the scraps they dish out. Have we REALLY FORGOTTEN the food lines at Moscow stores in the 80's? Have we really forgotten the Iron Curtain of depression that burdened a communist nation, while their leadership did what they wanted, when they wanted? And this is what we want???????

Capitalism run amok is not the answer either, but we have traveled too far left and the people DON'T want it, but the current leadership is NOT LISTENING to the people. I guarantee you that if Obama suddenly changed his stripes and cut regulations across the board, our economy would rebound in weeks! Look what happened to the stock market the day after Ryan was REVOTED into office in Wisconsin. The SM had a record day!

Go to the highlighted quotes above and tell me you don't see Obama's plan in any statement made by Vladimir Lenin. I dare ya!

The Government was NEVER intended to tell us what to do, it was there for us to govern ourselves. Government doesn't create, it regulates. Jobs, taxes, and so on. In fact, thanks to the Liberal Party (Democratic) we have more taxes in the last one hundred years, than we've ever had.

Ask the Soiux, and the Cherokee, and just about any other Native American tribe still living on the reservation how good the life style has been under Government supervision. You think inner-city living is bad? Try a reservation! Child abuse, Child Sexual Abuse, Suicide, Alcoholism, and Drugs and Spouse abuse statistics grossly out number American Society. Unemployment is or was at 80% in the Dakotas, it may have gone down now with the Oil rights, but I'm not sure.

No: Obama is a cancer, not the answer, and Paul will only make us fall. But Romney, I'm not to keen on him but he's the safest of the 3. Conservative (I hope) and the only one pushing to get rid of Criminal Legislation, secure the borders, and cut regulations. That's what needs to happen first!

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