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Nice to win one but they certainly didn't deserve it. Is Hanson leading the WHOLE TEAM in points scored yet?


I agree, we didn't deserve it. However, I have to say that I'll take a win when I can get it!

YES WE DID DESERVE IT. The defense played great, we got them to respect our run game, our defensive leader came back and played at AN ELITE LEVEL(No INTs all season and we get 2 when Delmas gets back, not a coincidence), and we beat the piss out of Vick the whole game. Please help me understand why we didn't deserve that win.


Seconded. We won, the defense had a good game, ST held their own, and while Stafford looked horrid for quite a few passes, they got it back on track in the end.. Glad the Lions won, on the road, in a venue they haven't won in for 30 years. A few back monkeys got shed.


Relax. I just meant is was a sloppy game.


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Hystrix wrote:
Grink wrote:
Killwill25 wrote:
Hystrix wrote:
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Nice to win one but they certainly didn't deserve it. Is Hanson leading the WHOLE TEAM in points scored yet?


I agree, we didn't deserve it.
However, I have to say that I'll take a win when I can get it!

YES WE DID DESERVE IT. The defense played great, we got them to respect our run game, our defensive leader came back and played at AN ELITE LEVEL(No INTs all season and we get 2 when Delmas gets back, not a coincidence), and we beat the piss out of Vick the whole game. Please help me understand why we didn't deserve that win.


Seconded. We won, the defense had a good game, ST held their own, and while Stafford looked horrid for quite a few passes, they got it back on track in the end.. Glad the Lions won, on the road, in a venue they haven't won in for 30 years. A few back monkeys got shed.


Relax. I just meant is was a sloppy game.


No prob, I am pretty happy after the win.

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Here's my "For What it's worth" Segment:

Defense was in Beast Mode during the first half. Loved seeing the blitzes. The Eagles did a nice job of making adjustments at the half, so the second half was a little slower for the Defense. They still made plays when they needed to, this was the first time this season that I was impressed with the "D". We missed Delmas for sure. We tackled very well today.

Offensive line was making some holes (and penalties) Joique Bell runs with a mission, he's a nice 1 - 2 punch. Like seeing a running game today. Matt missed some wide open throws and some reads as well, but damn he has some really nice passes when he needed to. I keep wondering why they aren't doing the jump ball thing in the end zone with Calvin this year? They have only done it a couple of times and they seemed to be out of sync bad. Burleson had a nice game. Have we actually executed a successful screen pass this season?

Special Teams played very well today, nice coverage. I love Hanson, but it's a little concerning that he can't kick it into the end zone consistently. He had one kick that was caught on the run at the 10yd line and when he does get it into the endzone it is only a yard deep if that.

The question of the year: What the hell is it about the 4th qtr? Why does the light come on all of a sudden? Is it the players or the coaches? or both? I just don't get why we can't play like that during all four quarters?

Anyways, it was a win we needed desperately, hopefully they will carry the taste of victory into next week and take care of business against the Bears.

11 more wins to go on our way to 13 -3! GO LiONS!

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Watching the game again. Cherilus abusing Babin

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Not to be Debbie Downer here but, I wouldn't get overly excited by this game. The Eagles have one of the worst O-lines in the NFL (even the Lions is better) and the Eagles employ the wide-9 even more than the Lions opening up big running lanes. If the D and running game can look nearly as good against the Bears next week I'll buy in but now I'm still not impressed. I mean heck, we're talking about a league this year where the Colts beat a Packers team that just trounced Houston and then get corralled by the Jets.


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Not to be Debbie Downer here but, I wouldn't get overly excited by this game. The Eagles have one of the worst O-lines in the NFL (even the Lions is better) and the Eagles employ the wide-9 even more than the Lions opening up big running lanes. If the D and running game can look nearly as good against the Bears next week I'll buy in but now I'm still not impressed. I mean heck, we're talking about a league this year where the Colts beat a Packers team that just trounced Houston and then get corralled by the Jets.


I agree with you to a point. I agree that the Eagles offensive line is pretty shabby, and that Vick absolutely kills Philly with his turnovers. However, the Eagles are still a pretty talented team that just can't put it all together (sound familiar?). Their defense is pretty good.

It's nice that the Lions won, but it is still a case of the team missing opportunities time and time again. Last minute heroics cannot be the constant theme for this team. Other teams have already been able to shut down our offense, and Philly was able to do that for most of the game yesterday. Coming away with a win is nice. But coming away with from this game with the idea that the Lions are "back" is way premature. This team, even after having the bye week to recoup, is still a LOOOOOOOONG ways from being a better team than last seasons squad.

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Eric Hartline/US PresswireQB Matthew Stafford led the Lions, who are now 2-3 overall, to an OT victory against Philadelphia.

PHILADELPHIA -- I'll admit it. They fooled me again. Yep, I wrote off the Detroit Lions when their deficit grew to 10 points Sunday with 5 minutes, 18 seconds remaining at Lincoln Financial Field. I had this game marked as a victory for the Philadelphia Eagles and was already researching the history of 1-4 teams -- a cardinal sin in the Matthew Stafford Era.

"We're never out of any game," as coach Jim Schwartz summed it up.

Stafford led the Lions to three scores in the final 9:18 on this particular afternoon, flipping that deficit into a 26-23 overtime victory. As the Lions faced essentially the end of postseason contention, Stafford pulled off the seventh come-from-behind victory in his career. What was once an impressive oddity is now a habit: Comebacks now represent nearly half of his 15 career victories.

"We just don't think any other way," cornerback Chris Houston said. "We look at the score and we start figuring out what we need to do. We say, 'We're going to score right there and then the defense will get the ball back to the offense or whatever.' Our offense, we have Calvin Johnson and Matthew Stafford. As long as we have them, we're never out of a game."

The worst mistake we could make, however, is to classify this occasion simply as another Stafford-Johnson production. Sure, Stafford threw for 220 yards and Johnson caught five passes for 107 yards after the start of the fourth quarter. But their late-game focus was clearly contagious Sunday.

"We don't ever give up," said defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch, "because we know we have a quarterback that doesn't give up."

The Lions sensed the Eagles' vulnerability even after a blown coverage allowed Jeremy Maclin to dash 70 yards on a slant pattern for a touchdown that gave the Eagles a 23-13 lead. The Lions' defense elevated their game-long pounding of Eagles quarterback Michael Vick, and their offense started ad-libbing in a way that only a group of supremely confident teammates can do.

You saw tight end Tony Scheffler break downfield after a Stafford scramble to haul in an unplanned 57-yard pass to get in position for one score. There was defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh batting down a third-down pass by Vick, allowing the Lions to regain possession for the game-tying drive.

Johnson redirected his route on the fifth play of that possession, looking for open space and then tight-roping the sideline moments after he and Stafford had made the adjustment during a brief conversation. The catch, confirmed by replay, put the Lions in position for Jason Hanson's game-tying 19-yard field goal.

The Lions then opened overtime with consecutive sacks of Vick, one by Cliff Avril and a second shared by Vanden Bosch and Nick Fairley. At that point, there suddenly was no doubting who would win the game. An angry crowd knew it as well and began filing out even before the Lions took over possession. Hanson won it on a 45-yard field goal on the Lions' fifth play of overtime.

"The crazy thing is, we almost expect it," Vanden Bosch said. "If we're close and we're in the fourth quarter, we almost expect that we'll come back and win it. I guess that's a good thing, but it would be nice to jump out to a lead and hold on to a lead."

Yes, it's fair to wonder when the Lions can start mixing in some conventional victories. They've needed fourth-quarter comebacks in both victories this season -- including Week 1 against the St. Louis Rams -- and Stafford said, "We can't make it this hard on ourselves every week."

And let's not forget that the Lions had 16 penalties enforced against them Sunday -- including 10 for a false start or encroachment -- and didn't convert a third down until the fourth quarter. After three quarters, Stafford had completed only 7 of 21 passes and was on the way to one of the worst games of his career.

The rational part of me wants to suggest that most every team will lose under those circumstances. But Stafford gives the Lions an edge in those situations, and his teammates are now running with it. His ability to brush aside failure and embrace hope is real and undeniable.

"I know those guys believe in me," Stafford said, "and I believe in them. We had chances to make plays, whether I missed them or they weren't made, we understand that's part of the game of football. It's not always going to be perfect and it's not always going to be pretty."

The Lions can't win all of their games with comebacks, but with Stafford we can say with some confidence that they're going to steal a few more than most teams. It's an extra boost of confidence that a 2-3 team needs in a highly competitive division.

"You could feel this was a big step for us, as a team, playing team football," Schwartz said. "A lot of spirit, guys picking each other up. That's a good sign for things to come for this team."

We can't say where this victory will take the Lions. But we should darn well know not to count them out. Not for the playoffs or anything else. I won't make that mistake again.
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"Gunther Cunningham's very creative," Delmas said. "I know he's very old and I know the blood don't cycle through his mind like it's supposed to, but he's young-minded, he's very aggressive and as long as he has the firepower to fire that gun he's going to shoot it."


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Linehan should run his 4th quarter plan all game long. My goodness our offense needs Best. We'd put up so many more 7s with safeties always respecting his lightning speed. Hopefully the defense, secondary in particular, gets more comfortable and understands the role they have with Delmas back there.

Onto the Bears. Go Lions.

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Linehan should run his 4th quarter plan all game long. My goodness our offense needs Best. We'd put up so many more 7s with safeties always respecting his lightning speed. Hopefully the defense, secondary in particular, gets more comfortable and understands the role they have with Delmas back there.

Onto the Bears. Go Lions.


Of course a lot of the Linehan criticism is valid, but to me it seems like it's more a matter of execution. It's not Linehan's fault when open receivers drop balls. it's not Linehan's fault when Staff throws a crappy pass. It's like with the D getting so much better with Houston and then Delmas coming back. It was easy to criticize Gun earlier in the season, but the back-ups just weren't executing on a consistent basis.

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Shotty wrote:
Linehan should run his 4th quarter plan all game long. My goodness our offense needs Best. We'd put up so many more 7s with safeties always respecting his lightning speed. Hopefully the defense, secondary in particular, gets more comfortable and understands the role they have with Delmas back there.

Onto the Bears. Go Lions.


Of course a lot of the Linehan criticism is valid, but to me it seems like it's more a matter of execution. It's not Linehan's fault when open receivers drop balls. it's not Linehan's fault when Staff throws a crappy pass. It's like with the D getting so much better with Houston and then Delmas coming back. It was easy to criticize Gun earlier in the season, but the back-ups just weren't executing on a consistent basis.


That's definitely reasonable, but he did have some calls that ended drives because they were simply predictable or unfitting, just in my opinion. For example, the 3 straight Joique Bell runs to end that one drive and the unreal percentage of how much we run on 1st down.

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Eagles defensive coordinator Castillo fired after 4th qtr/OT meltdown against Lions.

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Eagles defensive coordinator Castillo fired after 4th qtr/OT meltdown against Lions.


It was a matter of time for him.

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Eagles defensive coordinator Castillo fired after 4th qtr/OT meltdown against Lions.


It was a matter of time for him.


True, was won of the strangest hires of all time. I mean the guy hadn't coached on the defensive side of the ball since Regan was president and they made him DC. #-o

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Just venting on Sunday afternoon folks, didn't mean to stir things up.

I will say this in hindsight:

Positives:

Delmas - For as much frustration as I have felt over his limited time ON THE FIELD, when he's out there he makes a difference. Just don't overpay him or sign him for 5 years please. Make him prove he's not Bob Sanders.

Defense - This is what we should expect on a consistent basis! Not a lot of sacks, but consistent, relentless pressure. They didn't blitz a lot, they didn't have to. They made Vick's day a living hell, they bottled up McCoy well. They made 3 turnovers. Good job.

SOME better play calling offensively - I liked the Jumbo Package with Rieff. He helped the run game and I saw some plays where his presence, because they expected the run later in the game, opened up a good play action pass opportunity. Keep it up. You've been a great soldier for us Will Heller, but Reiff definitely added something. Why is he still not starting? See what he does at right guard. See what he does at left tackle.

I saw a glimpse of what Linehan SHOULD BE DOING to loosen pressure from the safeties. On one reception in the 4th CJ ran a drag route about 5 yards out, but he stopped about 3 yards in after turning right, reversed direction, and came back left beating his coverage and catching the ball. You want to open up the backfield? Do more of this! I hate to advocate a bunch of dink and dunk plays, but if that frees it up please do!

Special Teams - They didn't loose the game, they didn't give up big returns, and Logan actually broke one off for once. Mission accomplished. Crossman deserves to keep his job for atleast another week.

Negatives:

SIXTEEN PENALTIES!? C'MON MAN! They had a total of 10 offsides between both sides of the ball. Wanna kill drives? Wanna go 3 and out? Keep that up. In the preseason and week one they had a pair of games where there were only 3 then 5 penalties in consecutive weeks IIRC. What happened? Same old Lions.

Offense: - Yet again, where was it?

Why can't they play like they do in the first 3 quarters like they do in the 4th?

I appreciate their calm and determined focus and their don't give up attitude that have made them the Kardiac Kings over the last 2 seasons for comebacks, but why let it get down to that?

Be BOLD in the 1st half. Play like it's the 4th quarter! Even if it means an extra INT for Stafford. Hell what's the difference if you are down by 14 at the half because you threw a pick 6 in there, or down by 14 because you had no rhythm while you kept going 3 and out trying to "establish the run"?

We know you need to pose a threat running the ball, and that will soften your deep coverage, but is it too much to ask to NOT be so painfully predictable that you are almost GUARANTEED to run the ball every 1st and 2nd down? Are they "efficient" by Schwartz's definition? Sure. They get 3-5 yards 75% of the time, but then they go 3 and out. Best won't be coming back. Not now, maybe not EVER. DEAL WITH IT. You won games without a running game last year, figure out how to do it again.

We know CJ is the best WR in the NFL and he can and DOES win games, but he isn't the only player on the field!!! Get the ball to Burleson, Pettigrew, Titus, or Broyles (if they actually catch one), and make teams pay for taking away the deep ball.

Why has Broyles not had his shot? Titus isn't exactly "tearing it up" like we had hoped he would this season. If Broyles is near 100% health, get him active. Play the hot hand until 1 of the 2 differentiates themselves and EARNS starting time. Otherwise everytime I see Broyles on the sideline doing nothing I picture him as Jenoris Jenkins, or DeCastro, or Konz - players who were a more IMMEDIATE NEED for this team.


CAPITALIZE ON TURNOVERS!
2 INTs and a fumble should have equaled 3 TDs. Not a field goal or two (can't recall true tally here) and a punt. If you take away the ball, make the best of it!

Anyway, there's my real 2 cents.

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