Is Stafford's hand/ arm injured?
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thelomasbrowns
Color Commentator - John Madden
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I said it in the gameday thread: I still think something happened to Staff on that hit in the Raiders preseason game that they haven't been totally candid about. He had great accuracy last year and in the first two preseason games--that kind of thing doesn't just vanish because of coverages.
If you remember last year with the dreaded glove, he was making some good throws but then was missing a lot of stuff and throwing crazy balls for interceptions. If he is hurt, good for him on playing through it, but it is a concern. His receivers (other than CJ and sometimes Burleson) haven't been doing him any favors either.
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| October 15th, 2012, 11:29 am |
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njroar
Rookie Player of the Year
Joined: September 25th, 2007, 3:20 am Posts: 2375
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It's not his hand. He's got a 62% completion rate for the season with his high being a 78.6 against Tennessee and his lowest this week against Philly at 48.9. Otherwise he's hovered at the 60% mark. When he's on, he's on. If his hand were hurting, he'd wouldn't have any streaks of consistency in there.
He was noticeably limping at times yesterday. I think the Hip might still be giving him problems. Moreso, he just isn't seeing the field right. At least in the first 3 quarters. In the 4th, when they're in the hurry up and just improvising more, he seems to be seeing what he's doing perfectly fine. Is he thinking too much in game plan? All I know is he's not mentally right at this point. I don't know if the St. Louis game got in his head, but he needs to forget it and get back to being the gunslinger he was. He's not taking the chances he was, which is why we aren't getting the big plays. Big reward plays often have a higher risk. Can't do one without the other.
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| October 15th, 2012, 11:55 am |
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WarEr4Christ
Player of the Year - Defense
Joined: October 26th, 2005, 11:48 pm Posts: 2760 Location: Elkhart, In.
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ESPN's Trent Dilfer or Matt Hasslebeck, I don't remember which, maybe neither. All I know is it was a former pro QB, did a break down on Stafford at Philly.
He cut the tape up, and showed the side arm throws, the back foot throws, and the inability to get on target because of his legs. He stated that Matt's throwing motions are lazy, and in direct cause for his accuracy problems, and that a seasoned pro as himself should know better.
So this gets back to what has been said about Stafford's potential hip injury.
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Since this is really only his second FULL season with the offense, could he just now be going through the "Sophomore Slump?"
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| October 16th, 2012, 8:51 am |
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DisgruntledFan
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I have to wonder to if the hip injury is effecting his ability to plant his feet and get a good throwing motion. A friend of mine who is a non-Lions fan noticed and commented on the side arm throws after watching the Eagles game also. Something is awry.
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| October 16th, 2012, 9:42 am |
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Killwill25
Color Commentator - John Madden
Joined: March 5th, 2009, 8:42 pm Posts: 1928 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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DisgruntledFan wrote: I have to wonder to if the hip injury is effecting his ability to plant his feet and get a good throwing motion. A friend of mine who is a non-Lions fan noticed and commented on the side arm throws after watching the Eagles game also. Something is awry. He throws side armed all the time. Even going back to last year
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| October 16th, 2012, 2:14 pm |
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Lions2SB2
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Killwill25 wrote: DisgruntledFan wrote: I have to wonder to if the hip injury is effecting his ability to plant his feet and get a good throwing motion. A friend of mine who is a non-Lions fan noticed and commented on the side arm throws after watching the Eagles game also. Something is awry. He throws side armed all the time. Even going back to last year He was just able to get away with it more.
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| October 16th, 2012, 6:41 pm |
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sweetd20
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The angle of his arm isn't the biggest problem, that only comes into play when he lets his elbow get out in front and the ball sails. He changes his release in most cases to try and fit the ball into a passing lane or window that opens up. The O-line has done a good job keeping him clean but they don't often open up clear cut passing lanes. The big problem has been his poor footwork since about week 5 last year. When he gets gun-shy and fails to step into his throws is when a lot of the uh-oh moments occur. I don't know how he and the Lions survived against the Eagles because he made a lot of those throws down the stretch and had me grimmacing on each drive.
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| October 17th, 2012, 8:05 am |
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thelomasbrowns
Color Commentator - John Madden
Joined: August 24th, 2010, 9:54 pm Posts: 1869
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sweetd20 wrote: The angle of his arm isn't the biggest problem, that only comes into play when he lets his elbow get out in front and the ball sails. He changes his release in most cases to try and fit the ball into a passing lane or window that opens up. The O-line has done a good job keeping him clean but they don't often open up clear cut passing lanes. The big problem has been his poor footwork since about week 5 last year. When he gets gun-shy and fails to step into his throws is when a lot of the uh-oh moments occur. I don't know how he and the Lions survived against the Eagles because he made a lot of those throws down the stretch and had me grimmacing on each drive. I heard Matt Bowen (National Football Post/Chicago Tribune) on the radio here in Chicago and he said the exact same thing. Maybe it's time to get Staff a dedicated QB coach?
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| October 17th, 2012, 10:28 am |
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Blueskies
Fired Head Coach (0-16 record)
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Earlier on 97.1, Foster said he thought that Stafford has been secretly playing hurt for most of the season.
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| November 22nd, 2012, 1:57 am |
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Grink
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Joined: October 23rd, 2005, 11:58 am Posts: 130 Location: Dartmouth
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http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/12/03/stafford-suffers-from-shotgun-overloadQuote: Stafford suffers from shotgun overload
Posted Dec. 03, 2012 @ 1:25 p.m. ET By Nolan Nawrocki
Footwork is the most critical component to the play of a quarterback. Working from under center provides a passer with a sense of rhythm and timing that makes a passing game go. When a quarterback hits his third, fifth or seventh step, his eyes are geared to work in unison with the progression of each route, allowing a passer to set quickly and dump the ball if he sees a blitz coming on his first step or hit his seventh step and uncork it to a deep layer.
In the shotgun, a quarterback’s footwork is not natural. As defenses are shifting into coverage from disguised looks, a shotgun passer must drop his eyes from reading the field to catching the ball and back to the field again while turning his body and getting into throwing position. In that fraction of a second, as a quarterback is looking to get the grip on the ball and redirect his eyes, a lot can happen. Disguised coverages can show and already tight windows can close. On Sunday, Colts OLB Robert Mathis fell back into coverage against the Lions in that short span, directly into Matthew Stafford’s throwing lane. However, the fourth-year passer never saw Mathis as he caught the ball from the shotgun snap and immediately whipped a pass toward Brandon Pettigrew. The result was an easy interception for Mathis.
The integrity of quarterbacking mechanics has slipped in the NFL this season, and one of the chief culprits has been the proliferation of spread, shotgun offenses. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady can shift their feet quickly from the gun, but their mechanics are well-drilled from more than a decade of work and they are two of the game’s all-time great technicians. For younger quarterbacks such as Stafford, Jay Cutler, Cam Newton and even Aaron Rodgers, who started off the season very slowly, the prevalence of shotgun attacks has begun to erode NFL passing games, destroy the mechanics of its passers and diminish the quality of the product on the field.
Scott Linehan’s offense, though he will mix up some run-pass tendencies, is very predictable. When Stafford sets under center, odds are very high it will be a run, as the Lions did 17 of the 25 times that Stafford took the snap from center against Indianapolis. When Stafford lines up in the shotgun, odds are very high that he is throwing the ball, giving Mathis, Dwight Freeney and all oncoming rushers a very good idea where the launch point will be and allowing them to pin back their ears and fly off the snap with more abandon, generally knowing where the pocket will form.
Stafford is a gunslinger, and though he often slings the ball with a sidearm motion to advantageously find an open throwing window, his mechanics have tended to get more disjointed and out of rhythm because he is in the shotgun for 25-plus snaps per game. The shotgun can be very useful in 3rd-and-8 situations, but when it comes to quick-hitting routes, the shotgun disrupts the rhythm of a normal route tree and produces a lot of drops — something the Lions were heavily afflicted with against the Colts. In fact, the Lions currently lead the league in drops, where they are in a category of their own.
The Patriots run the NFL’s most efficient offense because of the way they orchestrate their routes, having Wes Welker stutter step and hesitate off the line to let the rhythm of the offense flow. Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez often make double moves and delay their releases or the offense just uses quick screens out of the gun so the timing is not disrupted. The rhythm and flow are very well choreographed and designed to work with Brady's altered mechanics.
When the Packers were struggling early in the season, Rodgers was more heavily operating from the gun and the offense's rhythm was out of sync. On top of offensive lines that have been hit hard by injuries, Cutler’s and Newton’s mechanics have suffered for the same reason. And even in Week 13, Stafford’s mechanics and the rhythm of the Lions’ offense still appeared to be very disjointed.
Offenses that operate out of the shotgun 70-plus percent of the time can produce big passing numbers, as the Lions do with the NFL’s most productive passing offense, but it also makes it very difficult to find rhythm and keep defenses off balance.
Play-action can be a quarterback’s best friend and is one of the reasons why Robert Griffin III has started his NFL career on fire and is playing at an elite level down the stretch. It's driving the success of a modestly talented triggerman like Matt Schaub in Houston.
The NFL’s most efficient offenses understand balance, rhythm and how to set its quarterbacks up to succeed. For Stafford, Cutler and Newton to thrive, they would benefit from more time under center.
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