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Is Suh a team player?
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 Is Suh a team player? 
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This is from January 2011:
http://news.cameroon-today.com/cameroon ... -suh/3787/

She still has her dreams to follow. She put them on hold for Suh. Maybe his father was going to take over when he retires at the second contract mark. Five years is a long time to put off your dreams for your kid brother. She played on the Cameroon National team, had her own training facility in Oregon and gave it all up to help. She wants her own life, so I wouldn't blame her for wanting to get back to her life.


Hopefully this is what the tweet is about then. If she's not happy taking on this role in life and putting her own on hold, then she should move on damn it. I hate it when I see that an athlete is using a family member as an agent, or worse yet they are representing themselves (how'd that work out for ya Daunte Culpepper?). I understand the logical and rightful distrust of agents, financial advisers, and others who are out to make a buck off of athletes with too much money and not enough experience or common sense to know how to manage things, but I don't think a family member has any business doing that either. Their influence and lack of experience can cloud your judgement just as much or worse then a stranger trying to swindle you.

She's been doing this for what 3 years now? It's time to start interviewing and maybe even hiring "assistants" to take over for her. She should hire some outside people and work with them until she feels comfortable with their ability and trusts them and then she should move on. He's a grown @$$ man, he should be able to figure this out without her.

I don't question Suh's dedication as a teammate, but it's apparent that his attitude is poisonous and it could get him in trouble with his team and it already has alienated the media.

The GQ interview was down right embarrassing for him and painted him as a cold, disrespectful, arrogant, and "dull" person. That poor woman doing the article followed him like a puppy dog for days until he finally broke down and talked to her a little bit! WTF? It's no wonder the media hates him. If you build a wall around yourself and you give people NOTHING else to go on, then they can and will paint you in the worst light possible.

SHOW SOME PERSONALITY!!! Talk about your childhood, the charities you are involved in, your favorite soccer team, you favorite cars (you keep crashing them so I'm sure you own a decent stable of them by now), SOMETHING else that paints you as HUMAN and like the rest of us.

Wanna change the dialogue about you? Stop denying accoutibility for your actions and admit your mistakes. If he didn't have that weird "I was freeing myself from the situation" excuse after the stomp and he immediately appalogized afterward and said "I let my emmotions get the best of me and I was frustrated by the way that they were blocking me during the game and I just lost control for a moment" it would have been a non-story by now. Instead it's all the media talks about.

I don't think his behavior should justify trading him or not resigning him, but it's certainly harming his reputation and making the only dialogue about him negative. Think of what kind of career Randy Moss or Terrell Owens could have had if they weren't such headcases! Instead of 1st ballot HOFers they may be lucky to get in because of how poisonous and self-destructive their attitude and behavior has been throughout their career.

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October 22nd, 2012, 12:48 am
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If Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler had to guess which player in the NFL is the most disliked, his sore ribs might inspire him to pick the Detroit Lions' Ndamukong Suh, and according to a list published by Forbes on Wednesday, Cutler would be right.

Suh, who violently slammed Cutler to the Soldier Field turf on Monday night, was the least liked NFL player in a survey of fans conducted by Nielsen and E-Poll Market Research. A player's popularity was based on the percentage of fans who responded with "like" or "like him a lot," and Suh rated just 19 percent.

In his two NFL seasons, Suh has developed a reputation as a dirty player and has been disciplined by the NFL numerous times for hits. He wasn't penalized for his hit on Cutler, who said it was a clean hit and admires the way Suh plays. Suh infamously stomped on the Packers' Evan Dietrich-Smith during a Thanksgiving Day game last season, drawing a two-game suspension.

Fans don't like Cutler much, either, according to the survey. Cutler finished second among the least liked at 21 percent, while the Philadelphia Eagles' Michael Vick was third at 23 percent. Rounding out the top five of least liked players was the San Francisco 49ers' Randy Moss (24 percent) and the Oakland Raiders' Matt Leinart (26 percent).

The most liked NFL player was the Pittsburgh Steelers' Troy Polamalu at 63 percent, followed by the New Orleans Saints' Drew Brees and the Green Bay Packers' Charles Woodson at 62 percent. The Denver Broncos' Peyton Manning (59 percent) and the Packers' Aaron Rodgers (58 percent) rounded out the top five.

Cutler's teammate Brian Urlacher was eighth among the most liked players at 57 percent. The other most liked players are the Patriots' Rob Gronkowski (sixth), Redskins' Robert Griffin III (seventh), followed by Urlacher, the Packers' Donald Driver and the Lions' Matthew Stafford.

Cutler, whose sideline facial expressions and body language seem to be a weekly topic for analysts, has had his disagreements with the media. But he signed on for the "Jay Cutler Show," a weekly one-hour radio show on ESPN 1000 this season, and he said it has helped him convey a truer picture of his personality.

"Winning helps, too," Cutler said. "Anytime you win, it's going to be a cure-all. We lose and it's ... after the Packers' week (the Bears' only loss in Week 2) we were back at DEFCON 5."


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LEAST Liked NFL Players
1. Ndamukong Suh-Lions
2. Jay Cutler-Bears
3. Michael Vick-Eagles
4. Randy Moss-49ers
5. Matt Leinart-Raiders
6. Tony Romo-Cowboys
7. Kyle Orton-Cowboys
8. Santonio Holmes-Jets
9. Mark Sanchez-Jets
10. Brady Quinn-Chiefs

MOST Liked NFL Players
1. Troy Polamalu-Steelers
2. Drew Brees-Saints
3. Charles Woodson-Packers
4. Peyton Manning-Broncos
5. Aaron Rodgers-Packers
6. Rob Gronkowski-Patriots
7. Robert Griffin III-Redskins
8. Brian Urlacher-Bears
9. Donald Driver-Packers
10. Matthew Stafford-Lions

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Is suh about to get suspended for the kick to Schaub's groin?


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Suh is an idiot. Costing his team time and time again.

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Suh is an idiot. Costing his team time and time again.


Suh has committed one penalty this year.

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mwill2 wrote:
kdsberman wrote:
Suh is an idiot. Costing his team time and time again.


Suh has committed one penalty this year.


And is on the verge of getting his third game off due to suspension because of something selfish hes done!

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Are they SERIOUSLY considering the play where Suh was engaged with the OL, and the process where he was pulled over and his foot hit the Qb in the junk, a deliberate foul? I could see it if he walked up to him and put his cleats between the boys, but this situation was nothing like that, from what I saw, and I'd need to see it again to see what everyone is trying to sell papers on.....

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Are they SERIOUSLY considering the play where Suh was engaged with the OL, and the process where he was pulled over and his foot hit the Qb in the junk, a deliberate foul? I could see it if he walked up to him and put his cleats between the boys, but this situation was nothing like that, from what I saw, and I'd need to see it again to see what everyone is trying to sell papers on.....

It's not the fact that his foot hit Schaub in the junk the first time. That was part of him falling to the ground. The problem was when he hit Schaub a second time. When they showed the replay you could clearly see hit foot extended out directly towards Schaub. That's not a natural move. It is intentional. Here's a video of the play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fZPTw2Ayz_w#t=43s

See at the end when he kicks back toward Schaub? That's the problem. The initial hit at the end of the roll isn't a problem. It's the kick that is. Also, take a look at the results of the nationwide poll:

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You can see the only two places that don't think it was intentional are Michigan and Nebraska. When you're the only ones thinking differently, you're probably biased by something (homerism in this case).

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WarEr4Christ wrote:
Are they SERIOUSLY considering the play where Suh was engaged with the OL, and the process where he was pulled over and his foot hit the Qb in the junk, a deliberate foul? I could see it if he walked up to him and put his cleats between the boys, but this situation was nothing like that, from what I saw, and I'd need to see it again to see what everyone is trying to sell papers on.....

It's not the fact that his foot hit Schaub in the junk the first time. That was part of him falling to the ground. The problem was when he hit Schaub a second time. When they showed the replay you could clearly see hit foot extended out directly towards Schaub. That's not a natural move. It is intentional. Here's a video of the play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fZPTw2Ayz_w#t=43s

See at the end when he kicks back toward Schaub? That's the problem. The initial hit at the end of the roll isn't a problem. It's the kick that is. Also, take a look at the results of the nationwide poll:

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You can see the only two places that don't think it was intentional are Michigan and Nebraska. When you're the only ones thinking differently, you're probably biased by something (homerism in this case).


Not that it means much with all the other reffing issues, but in the video you can see the official staring right at Suh and Schaub, and he didn't call anything. With Suh's rep, I would think the ref wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt and would call a late hit.

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whether or not a flag is thrown has little to do with it. the league fines stuff like that routinely even when missed or seen and not called in a game.

It looks to me like Suh s leg extended and was coming down in a strange way. I would not say that he definitely did it on purpose but I would say he probably kicked on purpose. Suh probably also didnt know exactly where his foot was ie. that he was kicking Schaub in the sack. Who knows how the league will interpret things but they ve said they wont give Suh the benefit of the doubt since he s a repeat offender. We ll see, Im thinking it warrants a fine but not a suspension since it happened during a play rather than in bw plays and because there is some doubt about the intent. The league may conclude that Suh tried to get a kick in but didnt intend to land it where he landed it. Maybe wishful thinking on my part.


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mwill2 wrote:
kdsberman wrote:
Suh is an idiot. Costing his team time and time again.


Suh has committed one penalty this year.


And is on the verge of getting his third game off due to suspension because of something selfish hes done!


No suspension for Suh. As I suspected, Lions fans jumped the gun on the criticism.

Greg Aiello via Twitter:
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Our office has notified the Lions that N Suh will not be suspended for last Thursday's incident. It will be reviewed for a potential fine.

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"As I suspected, Lions fans jumped the gun on the criticism"?

Hey everyone, we have a PERFECT lions fan here.

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"As I suspected, Lions fans jumped the gun on the criticism"?

Hey everyone, we have a PERFECT lions fan here.


Sorry--I wasn't intending to "call you out" by quoting you. There was a general "piling on" of criticism and yes, I thought that criticism was premature. But I meant no personal insult and please accept my apologies if you felt insulted.

I'm full of B.S. most of the time and perfectly willing to own up to it. :cheers:

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For what it's worth. I agree with Jaws here, which is why I got all uppity about the criticism of Suh regarding this incident.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2012/11/jaworski_says_ndamukong_suh_wo.html#incart_river

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ESPN's Ron Jaworski says Ndamukong Suh would have to be ninja fighter for shot on Matt Schaub to be intentional
Gillian Van Stratt | gvanstratt@mlive.com By Gillian Van Stratt | gvanstratt@mlive.com
on November 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM, updated November 26, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Detroit Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh is once again in the subject of the NFL's most sensational debate.

This time, the debate centers around an alleged kick to Houston Texan quarterback Matt Schaub's groin during the Lions' 34-31 overtime loss on Thanksgiving Day.

The play prompted Schaub to exclaim Suh unworthy of being a Houston Texan, but it did not provoke shock and disgust from former NFL players Merril Hoge and Ron Jaworksi.

"I've looked at that play 50 times already, the hit on Schaub," Jaworski told ESPN on Monday. "I mean, you got to be a ninja fighter to be able to have your face on the ground, flip your foot backwards and kick a guy in the groin. I don't think he's that good. I think it's going to be very difficult for the league to show intent on that play that he was trying to kick him in the exact spot that he kicked him."
"Everybody in the trenches is dirty" -- former NFL running back Merril Hoge

Video of the play shows the sort of ninja-maneuvering Jaws was referring to. The league reviewed the play Monday and many expect Suh to be suspended and/or fined for his actions. But according to Jaworski and Hoge, that could have more to do with Suh's history and reputation than rule-enforcement consistency.

"The Jared Allen shot, I mean to me, that's a dirty play and a much more violent play," Jaworski said of the Minnesota Viking defensive end's blindside block on Chicago Bear Lance Louis. "So what's the history of Jared Allen? Do you fine him or suspend him for that one play, or not? To me, that was much more of a dirty play right in front of everyone, launching into a defenseless guy, chasing a play from behind than a ninja move kicking a guy in the groin."

And while the public continues to debate Suh's intentions, the hit by Jared Allen has ended the season of Chicago Bear Lance Louis.

"Let me tell you this," former Steeler running back Merril Hoge told ESPN. "I think everybody that plays in the trenches is a dirty player. What Ndamukong Suh doesn't do a good job of, is once you get out of those trenches and you get into a position or a situation like this, the dirtiness has got to stop.

"The reason I say they're all dirty, I'm telling you, I've been inside the white lines and in that box. On a third-and-one, I'm lucky I'd come away with hands and arms - I mean fingers are being twisted. Everybody in the trenches is dirty.

"Is Ndamukong Suh extending it? Absolutely. Will his past history haunt him on this one? I don't think there's any question that it will."

Suspension or not, dirty or not, Hoge argues Suh is still a good guy.

"Look, I know Ndamukong Suh personally," Hoge said. "And I will tell you this, you sit him on the set right here, you'd fall in love with the guy. He is charismatic, unbelievable. Now, when he goes inside the white lines, he plays with a different mindset. (The likeable personality), that's done. Rightfully so. That's how you have to play there.

"When I look at that play, I think it's an extension of him as a player. Does it look bad? Does it look deliberate? I don't think there's any question it looks that way. But that's how he plays. That's how he plays at all phases."

Unfortunately for Suh, Roger Goodell knows him personally too.

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I wasn't trying to say that I thought Suh intentionally kicked him in that exact spot. I'm sure he didn't know exactly where he was hitting him. But there is no doubt in my mind that he made the kicking motion intentionally. Like I said before, it's the last part of the motion that is the problem. The first part, where he gets whipped around and his foot hits Schaub, that's no problem. The last part, where he re-extends his foot and leg back into Schaub after the initial contact, is the problem. That is not a natural move. If you're falling and spinning the way he was, your momentum will continue to take you around in the direction you were going. Suh extended his foot foot and leg out in an almost 90 degree different direction from that of his momentum. That doesn't just happen unless you do it on purpose.

Look, I agree with what Hoge said. Everyone who plays in the trenches is probably dirty. It's part of life in there. But you can't keep doing it when you're not in the trenches anymore and everyone can see what you're doing. That's all.

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