Solid Kid playing agaisnt Top Talent all season Long. Know his name from the UM-Ala game where he owned the UM Offense.

Right now, the top rated CB. From what I've heard his stock has slightly dropped since his numbers or whatever have declined through the course of the season. Is that because they havent been throwing his way? I dont know.


WJB - Last year Te'o had 2 good games in your opinion. Thats why he didnt enter the draft last year, so he could stick it out another year and improve his game - Which he definitely did. Every single game hes played this year hes had solid contributions. JUST because Curry didnt pan out doesnt mean every single LB isnt going to. If Patrick Willis came out again, would you take him top 10? I know I would. Because JaMarcus Russel busted, does that mean the Raiders would never take a QB number one overall again? And remember, he was the once in a lifetime QB.

I understand what your saying, so im not trying to start an argument. Trust me.

But so far, I see no CB, and especially no safety, worth taking in the top 10, or even over Te'o talent wise.

A lot of this is going to depend on Free Agency. Obviously, Tulloch will be back. And hopefully Durant. Hopefully Levy wont. He sucks. But lets say Levy AND Durant both leave. Now what? We will be back to need another 2 starting LBs, cuz we surely dont have anyone to step into their spots next year. I am quite confident Te'o could instantly start at either of those spots and probably be an upgrade.

NOW - This conversation means nothing in a few months. Once the combine hits, and pro days, and other workouts the whole draft board is gonna be flipped upside down due to fast and slow 40 times, bench press, both good and bad interviews, breaking stories on how one of the prospects hit his girlfriend or got caught smoking a doobie whether they are true or not....etc.

Who knows. By April, freakin CJ Mosely could shoot up draft boards and then it will be HIM theyre talking as a top 10 pick. Remember Mark Barron?

Im just saying, RIGHT NOW, and pre-Free Agency, and what I see in the Lions games this year, that Manti Te'o would be a perfect fit in Detroit.

And lets also remember, we still have 4 games to go. And i wouldnt doubt SOME mock draft is gonna convince us to take freakin Matt Barkley. You know just as well as I do that Mayhew is probably going to surprise us with someone else anyway.

KSD, by saying he had 2 good games last year, I meant the season that you are currently referring to as "this season." This football season ended for ND after they played USC, with the Bowl Game being more akin to a playoff game. I don't count games against sub-par teams as "good games." Even if they play well against crappy talent it's not the same as playing well against even good COLLEGE talent, let alone NFL talent.

Ok WJB, so tell me, at this point who would YOU want the Lions to take if we are top 10? Not a position, because Id like that position too, but what name?

No one can say yet. It's just way, way too early to speculate. We have no idea where we'll be picking, and the talent pool simply hasn't fermented enough to be able to say who's "worthy" of a top 10 pick. Additionally, perhaps even more so than it other years the "underclassman" are going to determine the "strength" of this draft.

The Bowl games are some of the most challenging that some teams face, and you can sometimes separate "good" players from "great" players watching how they play in the biggest games of their careers.

At the combines you'll learn whether or not some of these guys have or don't have "NFL" caliber speed, and what their true measurements are. People fall in love with low 40 times, and they put too much stock in whether one guy ran a 4.47 and another ran a 4.52, but if they don't have the requisite speed necessary to compete in the NFL, it matters. Further, college teams lie about their player's sizes, repeatedly. Someone that is said to be 6'2" that measures in at 5'11" will looked at differently after the combine.

That said, I'm interested to see how the following players play, and perform and measure up in their bowl game and combine respectively:
Bjoern Werner
Jarvis Jones
Dee Milliner

All of those players are at the top, or near the top of the talent pool of their respective positions, and all are juniors.

A top ranked OT is also a Jr., as well as a top ranked FS (Reid), WR (Allen), and TE (Eifert). Those 7 guys are going to have a huge influence in the first round of this years draft. There is also a top ranked SS and RB right behind them, but they may not influence the first round.

I love all 3 guys you mentioned WJB, especially Bjoern Werner. I think he is by far the best 4-3 DE in this class. Im also interested in Jarvis Jones and wonder how he could fit in a 4-3, if possible.

Wondering if Dee Milliner is THAT good, or is he just the best IN THIS CLASS. Could he upgrade the Lions CB's?

Yeah, he will probably double dip again and take another OT.

Could he upgrade our CB's? A tackling dummy could upgrade our CB's.

BTW, if the draft were tomorrow, we'd be picking 8th.

Might get Te'o around 8th. Milliner is the only DB I see in the top 10-15 range right now. Outside of those two, I think you are looking at a DL or OL based on value.

Agree. That's why at this point I think Te'o is the wisest choice.

Got this from gbnreport.com
if the draft were held today.



Team
W-L
Opp W-L %
1 Kansas City 2-10 .505
2 Jacksonville 2-10 .552
3 Oakland 3-9 .464
4 Philadelphia 3-9 .510
5 Carolina 3-9 .516
6 San Diego 4-8 .484
7 Cleveland 4-8 .516
8 Tennessee 4-8 .536
9 Arizona 4-8 .552
10 Detroit 4-8 .563
11 Buffalo 5-7 .490
12 New Orleans 5-7 .503
13 Miami 5-7 .510
14 NY Jets 5-7 .516
15 St. Louis 5-6-1 .526
16 Tampa Bay 6-6 .466
17 St. Louis (from Washington) 6-6 .497
18 Dallas 6-6 .516
19 Minnesota 6-6 .531
20 Cincinnati 7-5 .453
21P Pittsburgh 7-5 .464
22P Seattle 7-5 .495
23P NY Giants 7-5 .513
24P Indianapolis 8-4 .469
25P Chicago 8-4 .495
26P Green Bay 8-4 .510
27P San Francisco 8-3-1 .495
28P Denver 9-3 .448
29P Baltimore 9-3 .500
30P New England 9-3 .510
31P Atlanta 11-1 .396
32P Houston 11-1 .500

The source I got they are picking 8th...

1. Kansas City Chiefs - 2-10 (.507 SOS)
2. Jacksonville Jaguars - 2-10 (.576 SOS)
3. Oakland Raiders - 3-9 (.493 SOS)
4. Philadelphia Eagles - 3-9 (.500 SOS)
5. Carolina Panthers - 3-9 (.528 SOS)
6. San Diego Chargers - 4-8 (.493 SOS)
7. Cleveland Browns - 4-8 (.521 SOS)
8. Detroit Lions - 4-8 (.535 SOS)
9. Arizona Cardinals - 4-8 (.545 SOS)
10. Tennessee Titans - 4-8 (.556 SOS)
11. Buffalo Bills - 5-7 (.497 SOS)

12. Miami Dolphins - 5-7 (.510 SOS)

13. New Orleans Saints - 5-7 (.517 SOS)

14. New York Jets - 5-7 (.583 SOS)

15. St. Louis Rams - 5-6-1 (.535 SOS)

16. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 6-6 (.451 SOS)

17. Minnesota Vikings - 6-6 (.483 SOS)

18. St. Louis Rams (via Washington Redskins) 6-6 (.510 SOS)

19. Dallas Cowboys - 6-6 (.514 SOS)

20. Cincinnati Bengals - 7-5 (.431 SOS)

Teams currently on pace to make the playoffs where elimination will determine the proper order:

21. Pittsburgh Steelers - 7-5 (.472 SOS)
22. New York Giants - 7-5 (.490 SOS)
23. Seattle Seahawks - 7-5 (.500 SOS)
24. Indianapolis Colts - 8-4 (.431 SOS)
25. Chicago Bears - 8-4 (.507 SOS)
26. Green Bay Packers - 8-4 (.528 SOS)
27. San Francisco 49ers - 8-3-1 (.486 SOS)
28. Baltimore Ravens - 9-3 (.465 SOS)
29. New England Patriots - 9-3 (.497 SOS)
30. Denver Broncos - 9-3 (.500 SOS)
31. Atlanta Falcons - 11-1 (.389 SOS)
32. Houston Texans - 11-1 (.451 SOS)

sbnation.com

1. Kansas City Chiefs - 2-10 (.507 SOS)
2. Jacksonville Jaguars - 2-10 (.576 SOS)
3. Oakland Raiders - 3-9 (.493 SOS)
4. Philadelphia Eagles - 3-9 (.500 SOS)
5. Carolina Panthers - 3-9 (.528 SOS)
6. San Diego Chargers - 4-8 (.493 SOS)
7. Cleveland Browns - 4-8 (.521 SOS)
8. Detroit Lions - 4-8 (.535 SOS)
9. Arizona Cardinals - 4-8 (.545 SOS)
10. Tennessee Titans - 4-8 (.556 SOS)
11. Buffalo Bills - 5-7 (.497 SOS)

12. Miami Dolphins - 5-7 (.510 SOS)

13. New Orleans Saints - 5-7 (.517 SOS)

14. New York Jets - 5-7 (.583 SOS)

15. St. Louis Rams - 5-6-1 (.535 SOS)

16. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 6-6 (.451 SOS)

17. Minnesota Vikings - 6-6 (.483 SOS)

18. St. Louis Rams (via Washington Redskins) 6-6 (.510 SOS)

19. Dallas Cowboys - 6-6 (.514 SOS)

20. Cincinnati Bengals - 7-5 (.431 SOS)

Teams currently on pace to make the playoffs where elimination will determine the proper order:

21. Pittsburgh Steelers - 7-5 (.472 SOS)
22. New York Giants - 7-5 (.490 SOS)
23. Seattle Seahawks - 7-5 (.500 SOS)
24. Indianapolis Colts - 8-4 (.431 SOS)
25. Chicago Bears - 8-4 (.507 SOS)
26. Green Bay Packers - 8-4 (.528 SOS)
27. San Francisco 49ers - 8-3-1 (.486 SOS)
28. Baltimore Ravens - 9-3 (.465 SOS)
29. New England Patriots - 9-3 (.497 SOS)
30. Denver Broncos - 9-3 (.500 SOS)
31. Atlanta Falcons - 11-1 (.389 SOS)
32. Houston Texans - 11-1 (.451 SOS)