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kdsberman wrote:
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Guys, think about this. We'll likely lose both of our remaining games. If the Eagles or Raiders win one of their four combined remaining games and the Lions lose both of theirs we will have a top 4 pick. We're talking about a complete gamebreaker with a pick like that. I pray we don't mess it up.


Well, obviously hoping theyll pull a win out of their hats, even though the win will mean absolutely NOTHING, if we lose both we are guaranteed top 6. The Titans are winning 7-3 right now, if they win we will be at #5.

At #5, without a trade down, and depending on how the combine/senior bowl/pro days etc turn out, Im thinking its gonna be in no particular order Geno Smith, Star Lotulelei, Luke Joeckel. Remaining should be Manti Te'o, Bjoern Werner (who i want), Jarvis Jones (could he be effective as a 4-3 backer?) ..

Without a trade down, we should end up with a playmaker/game changer. But will it matter with the current coaching staff and schemes we have? I dont have the answer for that.


You can basically say top five since Geno Smith will be gone by the time we pick. Think about what other teams have done with picks like we'll have. Aldon Smith and Von Miller, for example.


TRUE. But lets say Von Miller or Aldon Smith got drafted by the Lions. Would they be as effective with our defense as they are with Denver/San Fran? I understand what you are saying, but I think a lot of it has to do with what a player is drafted to be used as.


I honestly think it's unnecessary to downgrade our coaching staff to the point of claiming players may not play very good under them. I still think Avril is mightily overrated and Von Miller would absolutely decimate on our defensive line. He's on a defensive line with 1 other standout pass-rusher (who isn't even great) in Elvis Dumervil. KVB is DONE. WY is inexperienced or just not good enough. Lo Jack is too inconsistent. If we didn't win out and instead lost out in 2010 we would've had either Von Miller or Patrick Peterson, I really believe that.

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It has to do more with their current positions (OLB) as compared to DE in Detroit. Maybe Smith would hold up but Miller is too small to be a full time 4-3 DE.


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It has to do more with their current positions (OLB) as compared to DE in Detroit. Maybe Smith would hold up but Miller is too small to be a full time 4-3 DE.


True. Has GC ever ran a 3-4 in his NFL career?

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You guys are going to hate this, but if Luke Joeckel grades out, and looks to be a legitimate top LT, he should be our first round pick if he's available. Our OL is in shambles, Reiff hasn't been able to take over for Backus, even though Backus suffered a pretty good injury. That's pathetic. Further, he struggled in the preseason AND when he's played LT. The only time he's looked good is taking on blockers as an extra TE, and that's pretty sad.

Further, while Reiff seems to struggle at LT, he's more or less a prototypical RT and we need one of those too! Drafting a LT wouldn't be "giving up on" Reiff, it would just be moving him to the RT spot.

Our offensive line is a joke, and it has been for a decade, which is why we've sucked for a decade...


LT is a premier position in the NFL and the Lions will have a premier pick in the draft. I think it would be hard to pass on Joeckel who would be responsible for protecting our franchise. I also see Reiff as a better fit at RT from what I've seen of him. I'd have no problem with this pick if Joeckel does grade out well through the rest of the draft process.


Agreed


I absolutely hate the idea of drafting another OT in the 1st round this year. But, I already set my expectations that we would as soon as we drafted Reiff last year. We just tend to do things in twos.

I can, however, see a possible way to draft an OT, CB, and Safety in the 1st two rounds. We would need to trade down a couple spots to get the ammo to be able to swing a couple of other trade ups though. But, I would be about as happy as I could be if we did it.


Im kinda with you on this one. I think our 1st round pick HAS to be defense. Corner, Defensive End, Linebacker....whatever. Defense. Im sick of this team team allowing as many points as they are. I understand the concept of drafting Joeckel, but Id rather have defense. Besides, he will be gone by the time the Lions pick anyway.

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Post Re: Biggest Need next year?
kdsberman wrote:
BillySims wrote:
DJ-B wrote:
Pablo wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
You guys are going to hate this, but if Luke Joeckel grades out, and looks to be a legitimate top LT, he should be our first round pick if he's available. Our OL is in shambles, Reiff hasn't been able to take over for Backus, even though Backus suffered a pretty good injury. That's pathetic. Further, he struggled in the preseason AND when he's played LT. The only time he's looked good is taking on blockers as an extra TE, and that's pretty sad.

Further, while Reiff seems to struggle at LT, he's more or less a prototypical RT and we need one of those too! Drafting a LT wouldn't be "giving up on" Reiff, it would just be moving him to the RT spot.

Our offensive line is a joke, and it has been for a decade, which is why we've sucked for a decade...


LT is a premier position in the NFL and the Lions will have a premier pick in the draft. I think it would be hard to pass on Joeckel who would be responsible for protecting our franchise. I also see Reiff as a better fit at RT from what I've seen of him. I'd have no problem with this pick if Joeckel does grade out well through the rest of the draft process.


Agreed


I absolutely hate the idea of drafting another OT in the 1st round this year. But, I already set my expectations that we would as soon as we drafted Reiff last year. We just tend to do things in twos.

I can, however, see a possible way to draft an OT, CB, and Safety in the 1st two rounds. We would need to trade down a couple spots to get the ammo to be able to swing a couple of other trade ups though. But, I would be about as happy as I could be if we did it.


Im kinda with you on this one. I think our 1st round pick HAS to be defense. Corner, Defensive End, Linebacker....whatever. Defense. Im sick of this team team allowing as many points as they are. I understand the concept of drafting Joeckel, but Id rather have defense. Besides, he will be gone by the time the Lions pick anyway.




Although I never have a problem with drafting O-line talent, I just don't see us drafting anything other than DEFENSE in the first 2 rounds. DE, CB, and S (2nd to 3rd round). The O-line will be OK even if we lose Gosder. We'd still have 4 tackles. Do need to address the OG spot though. Hopefully through FA.


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Although I never have a problem with drafting O-line talent, I just don't see us drafting anything other than DEFENSE in the first 2 rounds. DE, CB, and S (2nd to 3rd round). The O-line will be OK even if we lose Gosder. We'd still have 4 tackles. Do need to address the OG spot though. Hopefully through FA.


Funny you say this, because it is EXACTLY what I thought in the last draft. I figured for sure the Lions would be going with a corner and linebacker with their first two picks. They absolutely needed to go defense, and they didn't. Instead, they took a highly rated OT, which wasn't so bad, but didn't exactly help this season. Then they took Ryan Broyles, who I liked, but I felt was a reach that high. We had our chances to shore up the defense and get some immediate starters. The Lions failed.

Saying that you don't see them doing something means that's what they are likely to do. It will all depend on whether or not Mayhew and Schwartz are ready to admit that the whole "best player available regardless of position" strategy needs to be adjusted to rank players higher on their board that fill an immediate need.

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m2karateman wrote:
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Although I never have a problem with drafting O-line talent, I just don't see us drafting anything other than DEFENSE in the first 2 rounds. DE, CB, and S (2nd to 3rd round). The O-line will be OK even if we lose Gosder. We'd still have 4 tackles. Do need to address the OG spot though. Hopefully through FA.


Funny you say this, because it is EXACTLY what I thought in the last draft. I figured for sure the Lions would be going with a corner and linebacker with their first two picks. They absolutely needed to go defense, and they didn't. Instead, they took a highly rated OT, which wasn't so bad, but didn't exactly help this season. Then they took Ryan Broyles, who I liked, but I felt was a reach that high. We had our chances to shore up the defense and get some immediate starters. The Lions failed.

Saying that you don't see them doing something means that's what they are likely to do. It will all depend on whether or not Mayhew and Schwartz are ready to admit that the whole "best player available regardless of position" strategy needs to be adjusted to rank players higher on their board that fill an immediate need.



If this years performance, or lack there of, by the the back seven, isn't enough to convince them of the need to add high round talent to the secondary, nothing will.
This is a great year to get another high round corner to go with Bentley, who showed promise as a rookie prior to the injury. But, the highest priority should be at safety, which appears to well stocked with talent in this years draft. The Lions could have their pick of several promising safeties in the 2nd to 3rd rounds.


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After reading Gunther Cunningham's comments in the article printed in yesterday's Detroit News: "I'm used to some areas of the defense being very, very physical with size and strength in the back end," he said. "I mean, everybody in the league knows that. So, we've got to get better there. There's no doubt about it."

Makes me think he will push hard to add a couple of safeties from this years draft.


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I think he's looking for new LBs as well. The Lions have three of the weakest starting LBs in the league.


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I think he's looking for new LBs as well. The Lions have three of the weakest starting LBs in the league.


Basically our entire D, minus our DL, is complete garbage.


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I think he's looking for new LBs as well. The Lions have three of the weakest starting LBs in the league.


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I think he's looking for new LBs as well. The Lions have three of the weakest starting LBs in the league.


Basically our entire D, minus our DL, is complete garbage.


This.

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wjb21ndtown wrote:
sweetd20 wrote:
I think he's looking for new LBs as well. The Lions have three of the weakest starting LBs in the league.


Basically our entire D, minus our DL, is complete garbage.


I agree with WJB on this. Man, that was hard to type. LOL.


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BillySims wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
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I think he's looking for new LBs as well. The Lions have three of the weakest starting LBs in the league.


Basically our entire D, minus our DL, is complete garbage.


I agree with WJB on this. Man, that was hard to type. LOL.



i disagree, i think the defense was worse than a year ago but still serviceable. they were good enough to win with. the lions offense was a huge let down with untimely fumbles and INTs. that combined with an awful special teams put the defense behind the 8 ball way too often. we re giving teams outright scores on return plays (fumble, INT, or kick/punt) or short fields more than I can remember.


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They need to learn how to create turnovers. It sickens me watching Chicago be solid every year simply because of turnovers. We give the ball away a ton and rarely take it away.

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