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I go away for a few months and you people are incapable of discussing the main topics of the day? Allow me to break this down for the low information voters who primarily get their news from the corrupt, socialist agenda driven, mainstream media.

First of all, gun bans will only affect law-abiding citizens and not the criminals who are largely responsible for the gun violence today. It's kinda like drugs. They're banned, but those who refuse to obey the law can certainly get them.The same thing will happen with guns, as it did with the alcohol prohibition in the 1930's. Those willing to break the law will get them, while law abiding citizens will not. How is this fair?

More importantly, it will disarm law-abiding citizens and render them incapable of defending their homes and families. Every day I read stories (on conservative sites) about how gun owners defeated potential murderers, rapists, robbers, etc, by drawing their gun. Unfortunately, many of you will hear nothing of these heroic acts since the corrupt lamestream media refuses to report on them. Guns save lives.

For the low information, brain dead, clueless masses out there, the 2nd Amendment wasn't adopted to save you from the scenarios I outlined above. It was adopted so that the citizens could defend themselves against a tyranical government. While we are not to the point of King George yet, it is getting close. Speaking of King George, I would be surprised if 50% of the brain dead population knew who he was and what he represented due to the incompetence of today's public schools, but that's a subject for another day.

What say you about gun control? I say, registration leads to confiscation, which leads to extermination. Just look at Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro as examples of this. A people not willing to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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Glad I bought my handgun last month.

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February 25th, 2013, 10:29 am
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Honestly I haven't paid much attention, but from Sly's post it sounds at the gov't is trying to control all guns. Is this true?

My previous understanding is that the gun control conversation was revolving around assult weapons and a universal background check for anyone wanting to purchase a gun.

Now, if that is the case I think families have other options than to protect themselves with assult weapons. These types of guns, IMO, do not seem like they are built for self protection - but rather going on the attack.

Can someone enlighten me as the the nature of the current proposed gun control laws?

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Big surprise. A Liberal Democrat in the White House. Go figure that they would try to grab our guns. Who knew?

It only happens every time a liberal democrat is elected president.


February 25th, 2013, 11:56 am
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What is going on is the attempted Europazation of the United States. Great Britain restrained it's citizenry from having weapons, and allowed "hunting" weapons or sports guns to be stored at a communal armory.

The crime rate sky rocketed when that happened.

Our VP has said that we are allowed to have "shot guns", but they don't want us to have assualt weapons. A .22 caliber rifle is almost exactly the same caliber as the .556 M 16, and it can be multi-shot as well. Older guns had a 16 round feed tube, and some even have clips. Your trigger finger controls the rate of fire, so you can fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, therefore making it a semi-automatic firearm.

Sly's comment about the corrupt propagandist is correct, they are misinforming the masses, counting on the fact that they 1. don't care enough to know, 2. aren't smart enough to figure it out, and 3. are to lazy to research the truth. Misinformation at it's best, creates a hype.

To the issue of schools, Sly is also correct, a dumb society is a society that is easier controlled. "NO FREE THINKING ALLOWED, you will think what we tell you to think and it will be in line with what we want."

Folks we are all headed into chains to quote the VP, this isn't a slavery based upon color or race, it is a slavery based upon agenda, and they are not creating the laws for us. They know that we don't agree and won't agree, so they are waiting for us to die off, but what they are doing is setting the stage for future generations. Read just about any quote from Vlad Lenin and tell me I'm wrong!!!!

Oh, but I guess I'm being a fear mongerer, so then nevermind, go back to sleep.

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February 25th, 2013, 12:38 pm
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WarEr4Christ wrote:
What is going on is the attempted Europazation of the United States. Great Britain restrained it's citizenry from having weapons, and allowed "hunting" weapons or sports guns to be stored at a communal armory.

The crime rate sky rocketed when that happened.


Really? There was a small initial increase in gun violence after the 1997 ban - the crimes involving firearms have decreased in each of the past 6-7 years. And, lets be honest here, the homicide rate involving firearms is now over 40 times greater here in the US than in the UK. But let's not let facts get in the way.

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Sly's comment about the corrupt propagandist is correct, they are misinforming the masses, counting on the fact that they 1. don't care enough to know, 2. aren't smart enough to figure it out, and 3. are to lazy to research the truth. Misinformation at it's best, creates a hype.


Actually, Sly's comment seemed very propagandist to me - that is why I'm asking for clarification. What is funny is that on just about any issue there is a lot of propaganda on both sides - we just tend to label it that way on the side we are opposed to.

As for the 2nd amendment, anyone that thinks arming our citizens will help protect us from a tyranical government is living in the 18th century. Having individual guns going up against the biggest miliary in the world with lots of advanced weaponry is a total joke. Times have changed fellas since the days of rifled-muskets, breech loaders and Mameluke swords were all the rage.

Listen, I'm all for families being able to protect themselves. The current issue revolves around assult weapons and a background check as far as I know. Again, other than general "right to bear arms" babble, am I missing something as far as the real issue goes?

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Post Re: What? No gun control thread?
WarEr4Christ wrote:
What is going on is the attempted Europazation of the United States. Great Britain restrained it's citizenry from having weapons, and allowed "hunting" weapons or sports guns to be stored at a communal armory.

The crime rate sky rocketed when that happened.

Don't know who gave you this information, but it certainly isn't true.

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Sly's comment about the corrupt propagandist is correct, they are misinforming the masses, counting on the fact that they 1. don't care enough to know, 2. aren't smart enough to figure it out, and 3. are to lazy to research the truth. Misinformation at it's best, creates a hype.

You might want to apply this to whichever propagandist organisation provided you with the information above about the UK ...


February 25th, 2013, 2:00 pm
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The U.S. will never be the UK, period. Guns were never as widespread in the UK, and criminals don't give up their guns. Taking them or restricting them now, after you've allowed them, won't correct the problem. The rest of the world, primarily Canada and the UK, don't understand that. They only see that they have less crime and fewer guns, so it must be true to have the same situation elsewhere. Further, the UK and Canada are also not boarded by Mexico, a notorious gun running country. You can laugh and argue that they get guns FROM us, but multi-millionare drug lords will be well armed, even if they have to go across the ocean to get their arms.

If you want a snapshot as to what would happen if we banned guns look at cities that have the highest restrictions on guns. Places like D.C. and Obama's own Chicago... those places have some of the highest crime rates in the U.S.

Further, that assault weapon ban was a joke. You could simply buy a "non-banned gun" and add the military accouterments to it and it wasn't a "banned" gun. Further, the limitation to 7-10 rounds is ridiculous as well. What do you do if 2-3 people break into your house? Trained police officers often fire 7-10 rounds in an intense situation and never hit a damn thing, and I sure do find it odd that most of the people advocating for more restrictive gun laws are protected from private security companies or soldiers that are armed to the hilt.


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The U.S. will never be the UK, period.

I agree entirely. Gun control in the US is a completely different issue to that in the UK. A UK style model would not work at all in the US, IMO. My post above was purely addressing a factual issue, not my opinion on US gun control.


February 25th, 2013, 2:22 pm
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wjb21ndtown wrote:
The U.S. will never be the UK, period.

I agree entirely. Gun control in the US is a completely different issue to that in the UK. A UK style model would not work at all in the US, IMO. My post above was purely addressing a factual issue, not my opinion on US gun control.


I understood that UK, and I appreciated your post. My post was only to address the constant comparison between the U.S., Canada and the UK. It's like comparing apples and sandstone.


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Uk and Pablo, thanks for the verification, I wasn't just randomly making a comment, I had read the information a long time ago and was regurgitating it, but time, age, and accuracy were obviously in error.

Again on the propaganda, it's correct, it is a 2 sided street, and seen from whichever side you wish to stand on. This is why the Constitution is all the more important, because it is a bedrock foundation for which all else can be measured against. How quickly does a house collapse when you remove it's foundation? That is the answer to the whole problem right there. We can build these extravagant programs, but if we don't have the solid base which supports it, the whole thing is a disaster waiting to happen.

Lenin, asked for four years, and the children would be a communist forever (paul paraphrase). He also stated that a lie told often enough becomes the truth. A then let's tie in the possible statement that Kruschev made about give us small doses of socialism until we wake up one day and discover we're communist.

Our current leader grew up under STRONG communist teachings and mentorship, so why are we suprised when it is being discreetly forced down our throats?

The tyranical government is FEARFUL of an armed citizenry. Let's ask the US military how difficult it was to take portions of Iraq from an armed citizenry? Not to mention that to join the service you have to swear or affirm to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies FOREIGN or DOMESTIC. If the military were required to attack it's citizenry, you would see a revolution much like the Soviets went through just prior to Yeltsin. Some of the military would follow orders, but then others would revolt.

It's just a complete shame what we've allowed this country to become because of so many factors. morals, governmental dependcy, and much much more.

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If you want a snapshot as to what would happen if we banned guns look at cities that have the highest restrictions on guns. Places like D.C. and Obama's own Chicago... those places have some of the highest crime rates in the U.S.


That is funny, I thought gun control was primarily taking place at the state level. I haven't ever looked at the city level, but states with stricter gun control laws have few gun related deaths.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... ths/69354/

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Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).


I don't know if you can provide stats, but the "snapshots" I've seen show the exact opposite of what you are suggesting.

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Pablo wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
If you want a snapshot as to what would happen if we banned guns look at cities that have the highest restrictions on guns. Places like D.C. and Obama's own Chicago... those places have some of the highest crime rates in the U.S.


That is funny, I thought gun control was primarily taking place at the state level. I haven't ever looked at the city level, but states with stricter gun control laws have few gun related deaths.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... ths/69354/

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Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).


I don't know if you can provide stats, but the "snapshots" I've seen show the exact opposite of what you are suggesting.



I like how it's "gun related deaths," which adds things like hunting accidents, gun cleaning accidents, and suicides to the list...

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Pablo wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
If you want a snapshot as to what would happen if we banned guns look at cities that have the highest restrictions on guns. Places like D.C. and Obama's own Chicago... those places have some of the highest crime rates in the U.S.


That is funny, I thought gun control was primarily taking place at the state level. I haven't ever looked at the city level, but states with stricter gun control laws have few gun related deaths.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... ths/69354/

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Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).


I don't know if you can provide stats, but the "snapshots" I've seen show the exact opposite of what you are suggesting.



Here is my thinking. Why do you never hear about School shootings or employees going crazy in Texas?

I am of the belief that in a state where everyone is carrying, it's kinda hard to go on a murdering spree.

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Pablo wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
If you want a snapshot as to what would happen if we banned guns look at cities that have the highest restrictions on guns. Places like D.C. and Obama's own Chicago... those places have some of the highest crime rates in the U.S.


That is funny, I thought gun control was primarily taking place at the state level. I haven't ever looked at the city level, but states with stricter gun control laws have few gun related deaths.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... ths/69354/

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Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).


I don't know if you can provide stats, but the "snapshots" I've seen show the exact opposite of what you are suggesting.



Here is my thinking. Why do you never hear about School shootings or employees going crazy in Texas?

I am of the belief that in a state where everyone is carrying, it's kinda hard to go on a murdering spree.


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