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I DID look at the numbers, hence the only 6 teams with fewer attemps.



Look im done with this debate. i hate the fact taht I feel like Im bad mouthing Hanson.

Fact Hansons legth strength is to the point where we are looking at other people to do kickoffs. (1/2 of a kickers job)

His leg is only getting weaker as time goes on.

he has AT MOST one more good year left.

the time to replace him MUST be looked at now. next year we may be STUCK with an Akers....

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regularjoe12 wrote:
I DID look at the numbers, hence the only 6 teams with fewer attemps.



Look im done with this debate. i hate the fact taht I feel like Im bad mouthing Hanson.

Fact Hansons legth strength is to the point where we are looking at other people to do kickoffs. (1/2 of a kickers job)

His leg is only getting weaker as time goes on.

he has AT MOST one more good year left.

the time to replace him MUST be looked at now. next year we may be STUCK with an Akers....


RJ, you can get an idiot to boot the ball deep.

Some teams use a dedicated kickoff specialist, some teams punters handle the kickoff duties. Kicking off isn't "50 % of the kickers job," sorry, the numbers say otherwise.

So, after X amount of years in the NFL, you, the great prognosticator, are predicting that Hanson has one good year left? :roll:

IF this year is the year that "our guy" is in the draft, so be it, but it sure doesn't sound like it. That being the case they should evaluate next year's draft (although I will admit that is hard for kickers, like I said, I wanted to keep Prater and trade Hanson to the Pats, but I was flamed for it... I'd sure love to have Prater now...), and make a decision. This 1/2 step BS is garbage...

Bully Hanson into a crappy deal, threaten to sign Akers, maybe draft a guy, maybe bring someone in... maybe, maybe, maybe... If the "PLAN" is to replace Hanson (which it obviously isn't, we're trying to sign him), that's fine, but this wishy washy bullshit is garbage. THAT'S why I say we have no leader and no direction.


April 3rd, 2013, 5:56 pm
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wjb21ndtown wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
I DID look at the numbers, hence the only 6 teams with fewer attemps.



Look im done with this debate. i hate the fact taht I feel like Im bad mouthing Hanson.

Fact Hansons legth strength is to the point where we are looking at other people to do kickoffs. (1/2 of a kickers job)

His leg is only getting weaker as time goes on.

he has AT MOST one more good year left.

the time to replace him MUST be looked at now. next year we may be STUCK with an Akers....


RJ, you can get an idiot to boot the ball deep.

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Some teams use a dedicated kickoff specialist, some teams punters handle the kickoff duties. Kicking off isn't "50 % of the kickers job," sorry, the numbers say otherwise.

Oh Thats right I forgot about ALL those other teams paying guys to do just kickoffs. all.....none of them
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So, after X amount of years in the NFL, you, the great prognosticator, are predicting that Hanson has one good year left? :roll:

I cant claim the credit all to myself of course. I did call Physcic friends network ;)

or Im just using good old fashioned common sense...one of the two

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IF this year is the year that "our guy" is in the draft, so be it, but it sure doesn't sound like it. That being the case they should evaluate next year's draft (although I will admit that is hard for kickers, like I said, I wanted to keep Prater and trade Hanson to the Pats, but I was flamed for it... I'd sure love to have Prater now...), and make a decision.


Couldnt agree more and thats been my point


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This 1/2 step BS is garbage...

Bully Hanson into a crappy deal, threaten to sign Akers, maybe draft a guy, maybe bring someone in... maybe, maybe, maybe... If the "PLAN" is to replace Hanson (which it obviously isn't, we're trying to sign him), that's fine, but this wishy washy bullshit is garbage. THAT'S why I say we have no leader and no direction.


And you called me the great prognasticator? How exactly do you know the plans of the front office?

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regularjoe12 wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
I DID look at the numbers, hence the only 6 teams with fewer attemps.



Look im done with this debate. i hate the fact taht I feel like Im bad mouthing Hanson.

Fact Hansons legth strength is to the point where we are looking at other people to do kickoffs. (1/2 of a kickers job)

His leg is only getting weaker as time goes on.

he has AT MOST one more good year left.

the time to replace him MUST be looked at now. next year we may be STUCK with an Akers....


RJ, you can get an idiot to boot the ball deep.

Quote:
Some teams use a dedicated kickoff specialist, some teams punters handle the kickoff duties. Kicking off isn't "50 % of the kickers job," sorry, the numbers say otherwise.

Oh Thats right I forgot about ALL those other teams paying guys to do just kickoffs. all.....none of them
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So, after X amount of years in the NFL, you, the great prognosticator, are predicting that Hanson has one good year left? :roll:

I cant claim the credit all to myself of course. I did call Physcic friends network ;)

or Im just using good old fashioned common sense...one of the two

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IF this year is the year that "our guy" is in the draft, so be it, but it sure doesn't sound like it. That being the case they should evaluate next year's draft (although I will admit that is hard for kickers, like I said, I wanted to keep Prater and trade Hanson to the Pats, but I was flamed for it... I'd sure love to have Prater now...), and make a decision.


Couldnt agree more and thats been my point


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This 1/2 step BS is garbage...

Bully Hanson into a crappy deal, threaten to sign Akers, maybe draft a guy, maybe bring someone in... maybe, maybe, maybe... If the "PLAN" is to replace Hanson (which it obviously isn't, we're trying to sign him), that's fine, but this wishy washy bullshit is garbage. THAT'S why I say we have no leader and no direction.


And you called me the great prognasticator? How exactly do you know the plans of the front office?



The lack of a plan by the front office has been blatantly obvious (unless it's just a complete BACKWARD "plan" to build a team), for the last couple of offseasons.

Like I said, if we had a "plan" to not re-sign Hanson and move forward (and cap space WAS NOT an issue, a cap responsible team should be able to afford their damn kicker), I would be ok with it. If Mayhew asked Hanson to retire and said we've found our rookie and we're going to go get him, fine... I'm cool with that. I would have been cool with it if we would have done it when we had Prater on our roster.

But the fact remains, we low-balled Hanson because we can't afford him. We can't afford him because our GM is a buffoon. We then "looked at" Akers (who is far more washed up than Hanson), and now YOU GUYS are saying "draft." There is no plan to be found in those actions, nowhere.


April 3rd, 2013, 6:14 pm
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I think Hanson could kick for another year or two and still be pretty accurate inside 40 yards. I agree he s not consistently booming kickoffs for touchbacks anymore but he can get them into the endzone from time to time. The issue to me is cost - he was getting paid way too much for being an above average kicker on a very bad team that showed tons of holes. I think he s worth around 1.5-2 million but if he still wants the 3-4 million he s gotten in the past Im not sure its worth it anymore. As far as I know the best kicker in this draft is Dustin Hopkins from Florida St and if the Lions used a late round pick on him he d probably only be getting 500-600k for the first 4 years? Lions missed out on a great year for kickers last year with Zeurlein, Tucker, and Walsh. Maybe Hopkins fits that mold.

On another but similar note, who is this punter the Lions signed and is he the answer? Im sick of the putrid punting we ve had since the team signed Nick Harris during the Mariucci era.


April 3rd, 2013, 6:59 pm
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I think Hanson could kick for another year or two and still be pretty accurate inside 40 yards. I agree he s not consistently booming kickoffs for touchbacks anymore but he can get them into the endzone from time to time. The issue to me is cost - he was getting paid way too much for being an above average kicker on a very bad team that showed tons of holes. I think he s worth around 1.5-2 million but if he still wants the 3-4 million he s gotten in the past Im not sure its worth it anymore. As far as I know the best kicker in this draft is Dustin Hopkins from Florida St and if the Lions used a late round pick on him he d probably only be getting 500-600k for the first 4 years? Lions missed out on a great year for kickers last year with Zeurlein, Tucker, and Walsh. Maybe Hopkins fits that mold.

On another but similar note, who is this punter the Lions signed and is he the answer? Im sick of the putrid punting we ve had since the team signed Nick Harris during the Mariucci era.


His last contract averaged $2M per year...


April 3rd, 2013, 7:20 pm
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wjb21ndtown wrote:
But the fact remains, we low-balled Hanson because we can't afford him. We can't afford him because our GM is a buffoon. We then "looked at" Akers (who is far more washed up than Hanson), and now YOU GUYS are saying "draft." There is no plan to be found in those actions, nowhere.


What "facts"? You run your mouth like you work for the Detroit Lions front office. Do you know exactly what the offer is? Do you know - for certain, and can prove it with documentation - that the Lions low-balled Hanson because they can't afford him, and not because the front office is willing to take a black eye to move Hanson out?

wjb21ndtown wrote:
There were only 13 kickers in the league that made more 50+ yard FGs than Hanson, and only 15 kickers in the entire league that attempted more 50+yard FGs than Hanson, 3 of those kickers only had ONE additional attempt beyond 50 yards.


That sounds like awesome numbers. Wow, ONLY 13 kickers that made more 50+ yard FGS and ONLY 15 kickers that attempted more 50+ yard kicks? I mean, in a 32-Team LEAGUE, that's only what... 40-50% of the kickers not named Jason Hanson? How many of those kickers are younger?

wjb21ndtown wrote:
So, after X amount of years in the NFL, you, the great prognosticator, are predicting that Hanson has one good year left?


Pot? Kettle calling on Line 1. Oh by the way, Hanson said he's only got one year left, IF he played, and it would only be for the Lions. With Hanson on the high side of 40, there's no guarantee it would even be a good year.

wjb21ndtown wrote:
IF this year is the year that "our guy" is in the draft, so be it, but it sure doesn't sound like it. That being the case they should evaluate next year's draft (although I will admit that is hard for kickers, like I said, I wanted to keep Prater and trade Hanson to the Pats, but I was flamed for it... I'd sure love to have Prater now...), and make a decision. This 1/2 step BS is garbage...


So, you wanted to get rid of Hanson before, but NOW, oh no no. No, there's NO ONE IN THIS DRAFT THAT CAN REPLACE HANSON - according to you. Since I doubt you work in the NFL - at all - I'm interested in where you get this supposed iron-clad information. (I don't think any of the regular posters here actually work for the Lions or any team in the NFL) NO draft choice is a sure thing. The only sure thing that has come from the player's mouth is that he (Hanson) said he was only going to play one more year - if he played.

I'm not bashing Hanson. I love the guy's consistency for all the years he's played for Detroit. But there's a change coming, this year or next. It looks to me like the Lions have decided to make the move this year.

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wjb21ndtown wrote:
But the fact remains, we low-balled Hanson because we can't afford him. We can't afford him because our GM is a buffoon. We then "looked at" Akers (who is far more washed up than Hanson), and now YOU GUYS are saying "draft." There is no plan to be found in those actions, nowhere.


What "facts"? You run your mouth like you work for the Detroit Lions front office. Do you know exactly what the offer is? Do you know - for certain, and can prove it with documentation - that the Lions low-balled Hanson because they can't afford him, and not because the front office is willing to take a black eye to move Hanson out?

wjb21ndtown wrote:
There were only 13 kickers in the league that made more 50+ yard FGs than Hanson, and only 15 kickers in the entire league that attempted more 50+yard FGs than Hanson, 3 of those kickers only had ONE additional attempt beyond 50 yards.


That sounds like awesome numbers. Wow, ONLY 13 kickers that made more 50+ yard FGS and ONLY 15 kickers that attempted more 50+ yard kicks? I mean, in a 32-Team LEAGUE, that's only what... 40-50% of the kickers not named Jason Hanson? How many of those kickers are younger?

wjb21ndtown wrote:
So, after X amount of years in the NFL, you, the great prognosticator, are predicting that Hanson has one good year left?


Pot? Kettle calling on Line 1. Oh by the way, Hanson said he's only got one year left, IF he played, and it would only be for the Lions. With Hanson on the high side of 40, there's no guarantee it would even be a good year.

wjb21ndtown wrote:
IF this year is the year that "our guy" is in the draft, so be it, but it sure doesn't sound like it. That being the case they should evaluate next year's draft (although I will admit that is hard for kickers, like I said, I wanted to keep Prater and trade Hanson to the Pats, but I was flamed for it... I'd sure love to have Prater now...), and make a decision. This 1/2 step BS is garbage...


So, you wanted to get rid of Hanson before, but NOW, oh no no. No, there's NO ONE IN THIS DRAFT THAT CAN REPLACE HANSON - according to you. Since I doubt you work in the NFL - at all - I'm interested in where you get this supposed iron-clad information. (I don't think any of the regular posters here actually work for the Lions or any team in the NFL) NO draft choice is a sure thing. The only sure thing that has come from the player's mouth is that he (Hanson) said he was only going to play one more year - if he played.

I'm not bashing Hanson. I love the guy's consistency for all the years he's played for Detroit. But there's a change coming, this year or next. It looks to me like the Lions have decided to make the move this year.


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I have never minded replacing Hanson, EVER. What pisses me off is that we CAN'T AFFORD him due to BAD MANAGEMENT, and we're not making SOUND FOOTBALL DECISIONS, we're "forced" to look at subpar kickers and POSSIBLY incapable draft picks to fill the role.

Get it now?

I can't say it any more plainly than that.


April 3rd, 2013, 7:36 pm
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wjb21ndtown wrote:
I have never minded replacing Hanson, EVER. What pisses me off is that we CAN'T AFFORD him due to BAD MANAGEMENT, and we're not making SOUND FOOTBALL DECISIONS, we're "forced" to look at subpar kickers and POSSIBLY incapable draft picks to fill the role.

Get it now?

I can't say it any more plainly than that.


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So, again, you have NO PROOF that the Lions can't afford him. NO PROOF that they can't restructure a contract or two between now and the draft. And what's this "we" sh!t paleface? I thought it was established that YOU don't work for the Detroit Lions.

You also have ZERO proof that any of the kickers in this year's crop isn't a decent replacement. Possible that there isn't one, but also unlikely. Also, you have ZERO proof that Mayhew is being "forced" to do anything.

Do YOU "got it" now?

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Handle your business via PMs, not calling each other out, like 5 year olds on the board

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wjb21ndtown wrote:
The Legend wrote:
I think Hanson could kick for another year or two and still be pretty accurate inside 40 yards. I agree he s not consistently booming kickoffs for touchbacks anymore but he can get them into the endzone from time to time. The issue to me is cost - he was getting paid way too much for being an above average kicker on a very bad team that showed tons of holes. I think he s worth around 1.5-2 million but if he still wants the 3-4 million he s gotten in the past Im not sure its worth it anymore. As far as I know the best kicker in this draft is Dustin Hopkins from Florida St and if the Lions used a late round pick on him he d probably only be getting 500-600k for the first 4 years? Lions missed out on a great year for kickers last year with Zeurlein, Tucker, and Walsh. Maybe Hopkins fits that mold.

On another but similar note, who is this punter the Lions signed and is he the answer? Im sick of the putrid punting we ve had since the team signed Nick Harris during the Mariucci era.


His last contract averaged $2M per year...


that was just in salary with a 2.7 mill signing bonus over 4 years, his cap number was $3.3 million last year which he is no longer worth


April 3rd, 2013, 8:47 pm
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The Legend wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
The Legend wrote:
I think Hanson could kick for another year or two and still be pretty accurate inside 40 yards. I agree he s not consistently booming kickoffs for touchbacks anymore but he can get them into the endzone from time to time. The issue to me is cost - he was getting paid way too much for being an above average kicker on a very bad team that showed tons of holes. I think he s worth around 1.5-2 million but if he still wants the 3-4 million he s gotten in the past Im not sure its worth it anymore. As far as I know the best kicker in this draft is Dustin Hopkins from Florida St and if the Lions used a late round pick on him he d probably only be getting 500-600k for the first 4 years? Lions missed out on a great year for kickers last year with Zeurlein, Tucker, and Walsh. Maybe Hopkins fits that mold.

On another but similar note, who is this punter the Lions signed and is he the answer? Im sick of the putrid punting we ve had since the team signed Nick Harris during the Mariucci era.


His last contract averaged $2M per year...


that was just in salary with a 2.7 mill signing bonus over 4 years, his cap number was $3.3 million last year which he is no longer worth


His cap number was $3.3 last year, but the average salary of the entire contract was $2M, just like I said. He was playing for under $2M to start his K, and over $2M when his salary escalated per his K at the end of the deal, but his K was a 4 year deal, for $7.9M, averaging less than $2M per:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/jason-hanson/


April 4th, 2013, 11:55 am
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JL wrote:
What "facts"? You run your mouth like you work for the Detroit Lions front office. Do you know exactly what the offer is? Do you know - for certain, and can prove it with documentation - that the Lions low-balled Hanson because they can't afford him, and not because the front office is willing to take a black eye to move Hanson out?


I do know exactly what the offer is. It was reported by M-Live, 97.1, and channels 2, 4, & 7. The offer is league minimum, BECAUSE we can't afford to pay him more.


April 4th, 2013, 11:57 am
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JL wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
I have never minded replacing Hanson, EVER. What pisses me off is that we CAN'T AFFORD him due to BAD MANAGEMENT, and we're not making SOUND FOOTBALL DECISIONS, we're "forced" to look at subpar kickers and POSSIBLY incapable draft picks to fill the role.

Get it now?

I can't say it any more plainly than that.


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So, again, you have NO PROOF that the Lions can't afford him. NO PROOF that they can't restructure a contract or two between now and the draft. And what's this "we" sh!t paleface? I thought it was established that YOU don't work for the Detroit Lions.

You also have ZERO proof that any of the kickers in this year's crop isn't a decent replacement. Possible that there isn't one, but also unlikely. Also, you have ZERO proof that Mayhew is being "forced" to do anything.

Do YOU "got it" now?


You are a special type of douche bag... You do realize that you're arguing with me, about MY team management philosophy, correct? You constantly say you're "done" with me and my "negative" posts, only to later come back on here and stir crap up, time and time again.

A LOT of people on this site refer to the Lions organization as a "we," the fan collective is very much a part of this team, without "us" there is no team.

My proof that Mayhew is being forced into this stems from our cap situation and the desperation around his actions, and yes, bringing in Akers is a desperate move.

I never said that there isn't a worthwhile kicker in this draft, ever. I just said that IF "our guy" was in this draft, then they shouldn't have even made Hanson an offer. We're obviously not going to draft a guy and keep Hanson on the team the same year, so why make any offer at all if our "plan" is to draft someone? Why ask Hanson to come back if "our guy" is sitting there waiting for us to draft him? It doesn't make sense. By definition it lacks a plan and vision.


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I don't really understand why what the Lions are doing is so incredibly bad. Hanson was wishy-washy about coming back to play again and once he decided to comeback they gave him a min offer which seems like a pretty fair offer for a specialist with a worn down body and a mind not fully invested in coming back. If the rigors of being a kicker is to much for him to play one more season for a million less than he should probably just retire now.

Just because the Lions aren't committing more money to Hanson doesn't mean they don't have a plan for the spot if he doesn't resign. They could already have a target in mind in the draft as plan B if Hanson had decided to retire or is unwilling to resign. It's completely nonsensical to think that the Lions would have all their plans for the position relying on getting Hanson back, but they are unwilling to move on their offer.


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