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Post Re: BPA or NEED?
liontrax wrote:
We all know you can't believe anything that's said prior to the draft. If Mayhew was to trade away multiples to move up? Why not? He doesn't know how to draft beyond round 1 anyway!



Cuz I want him to move back into the first with our 2nd rd pick and get a Guard/tackle that we didnt get at #5!!! lol

I absolutly agree that as far as Mayhew is concerned everything after rd 2 is a wasted pick anyway, trade those picks away, but lets get 2 guys not just 1 :wink:

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April 24th, 2013, 6:01 pm
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Anything outside of top five for Myhew has been iffy. I wouldn't say his round 2 selections have been setting the world on fire.


April 24th, 2013, 6:21 pm
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Plenty of great tackles have been found in the later rounds or even undrafted.

I think back to the 2009 draft...there were all those supposedly great tackle prospects: Jason Smith, Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher...they've all sucked or been roughly average players.


April 24th, 2013, 6:59 pm
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Plenty of great tackles have been found in the later rounds or even undrafted.

I think back to the 2009 draft...there were all those supposedly great tackle prospects: Jason Smith, Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher...they've all sucked or been roughly average players.


Tackles taken in later rounds can be groomed into darn fine and sometimes even great players......with time. IMO the lions only have one starting calibur tackle. When our whole team is riding on the pass attack....we don't have time to groom one. We need a starter now. Here is to hoping none of the three are busts.

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April 24th, 2013, 7:36 pm
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Blueskies wrote:
Plenty of great tackles have been found in the later rounds or even undrafted.

I think back to the 2009 draft...there were all those supposedly great tackle prospects: Jason Smith, Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher...they've all sucked or been roughly average players.



Great point. I've read similar speculation in regard to Lane Johnson, where someone was comparing him to Jason Smith, another workout warrior or one year wonder. Maybe if the top two are gone the best medicine would be the Guard of preference.


April 24th, 2013, 7:39 pm
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2009 is a completely invalid year for an argument about top 10 OTs. It was obvious before the draft even happened that the the top 3 guys were all overrated/overvalued just because of the position
they play and the size of contracts back then.

Jason Smith played primarily or maybe even entirely out of a 2-point stance in college and had trouble playing out of a 3-point stance in the NFL. It was known before he was drafted that he would have trouble run blocking because of the stance problem and he never should have been drafted that high. He also got quickly discouraged in the NFL and there were many reports he had lost interest in improving his game.

Andre Smith was known to have weight and work ethic issues in college. He came out of shape to both the combine and the Alabama pro-day. The Bengals picking him with the 6th overall pick was almost equal to the Raiders taking DHB. There was huge red flags and they just ignored them.

Monroe is a very good OT that had a few consistency problems his first year but still started 13 of the games his rookie season and has continued to start since then. He was probably the only top 10 OT in 2009 and the other 2 should have come off the board after that.

Michael Oher was drafted late in the first round and is irrelevant when talking about the the type of prospect the Lions may be able to get with the 5th pick.

If any of those tackles would have been in this draft they all would be rated lower than the 3 top OTs this year. Not only have all 3 prospects been routinely complimented on their technique, but all 3 had better workouts than the great Jason Smith in every drill except the bench press.


April 24th, 2013, 9:42 pm
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And that's dropping the knowledge, thanks for saving me the typing rao.

In Addition, LJ specifically who we are talking about was a quality LT for the Sooners and didn't make a multiround jump due to his worksouts, he was already a late rd 1 talent based on his tape, he just became a top 10 talent based on his measurable and the believe that he hasn't reached his potential.

Not saying he is the next HOF LT, but he is better than anyone from 2009 just based on his tape, let alone the measurable.


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