View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently October 24th, 2014, 2:12 pm



Reply to topic  [ 121 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ... 9  Next
 Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline 
Author Message
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
Killwill25 wrote:
lol @Rivers being better


How many playoff games has River's won? How many has Staff won? I'd say Rivers' is better.

Not just on that alone. The guy seems to handle himself well in pressure situations, and elevates his game. Staff doesn't exactly fall apart,but he definitely isn't any better. At least not in big games.


June 19th, 2013, 4:41 pm
Team MVP
User avatar

Joined: February 20th, 2007, 10:51 pm
Posts: 3362
Location: Saginaw, MI
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
wjb21ndtown wrote:
Killwill25 wrote:
lol @Rivers being better


How many playoff games has River's won? How many has Staff won? I'd say Rivers' is better.

Not just on that alone. The guy seems to handle himself well in pressure situations, and elevates his game. Staff doesn't exactly fall apart,but he definitely isn't any better. At least not in big games.


I dont know who Id call better (PROBABLY rivers at this point), but what I do like about Rivers is that he is a LEADER on the field. Stafford shows no signs of being a leader and it makes me so mad watching it.

_________________
April 22nd, 2010 @ 7:44p.m. "The Detroit Lions select...Ndamukong Suh". Those are some beautiful words.


Lionbacker2 Fantasy Champion 2011


June 19th, 2013, 9:29 pm
Profile
QB Coach
User avatar

Joined: October 26th, 2005, 11:48 pm
Posts: 3039
Location: Elkhart, In.
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
That doesn't really seem to be a fair assessment WJB. Stafford has come through like the Cleveland game with a bum shoulder. And did it again with Oakland in 11 and so on. Playoffs isn't a QB game, it's a team game. He was game against NO, but the Lions couldn't match the skills of NO, or coaching it appears.

Having said that, the team did not play with any heart last year. in 11 they came out hungry and motivated, and gave us something to be excited about. In 12, it seemed as if they'd listened to all the hype about themselves, especially the rookies, and young vets, and then they got exposed.

I have it on good accord that the team in place now, is practicing with some ferocity, that hasn't been matched since maybe 11. We'll have to wait and see, but with the people we have in place, I can see some potential for great things. I just recommend that IF you pray, pray the injury bug stays away.

_________________
2 Chronicles 10:14, "if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land."


June 20th, 2013, 7:39 am
Profile
Online
ST Coordinator – Danny Crossman
User avatar

Joined: March 30th, 2006, 12:48 am
Posts: 3827
Location: Davison Mi
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
kdsberman wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
Killwill25 wrote:
lol @Rivers being better


How many playoff games has River's won? How many has Staff won? I'd say Rivers' is better.

Not just on that alone. The guy seems to handle himself well in pressure situations, and elevates his game. Staff doesn't exactly fall apart,but he definitely isn't any better. At least not in big games.


I dont know who Id call better (PROBABLY rivers at this point), but what I do like about Rivers is that he is a LEADER on the field. Stafford shows no signs of being a leader and it makes me so mad watching it.


Have you guys watched any SD games in the past 2 years? Rivers is not the same player he used to be. He used to look like the future elite qb's along with Aaron Rodgers....but he is not at that level anymore. I believe it was an injury that started his skid but I'm not sure if I would even call him average anymore.

You guys are crazy thinking today's rivers is better than today's stafford.

wJB....has rivers MADE it to the playoffs in the last 2 years? Staff has. By your previous example that should make him better.

_________________
2013 Lionbacker Fantasy Football Champion


June 20th, 2013, 8:43 am
Profile
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
regularjoe12 wrote:
kdsberman wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
Killwill25 wrote:
lol @Rivers being better


How many playoff games has River's won? How many has Staff won? I'd say Rivers' is better.

Not just on that alone. The guy seems to handle himself well in pressure situations, and elevates his game. Staff doesn't exactly fall apart,but he definitely isn't any better. At least not in big games.


I dont know who Id call better (PROBABLY rivers at this point), but what I do like about Rivers is that he is a LEADER on the field. Stafford shows no signs of being a leader and it makes me so mad watching it.


Have you guys watched any SD games in the past 2 years? Rivers is not the same player he used to be. He used to look like the future elite qb's along with Aaron Rodgers....but he is not at that level anymore. I believe it was an injury that started his skid but I'm not sure if I would even call him average anymore.

You guys are crazy thinking today's rivers is better than today's stafford.

wJB....has rivers MADE it to the playoffs in the last 2 years? Staff has. By your previous example that should make him better.


That may have something to do with losing Gates, LT, and Vincent Jackson, and replacing them with spare parts??? IDK... To me I think that would effect a Qbs ability to perform well. Is it that Rivers fell apart? Or the team fell apart around him? And SD is notoriously cheap. They never spend anywhere close to the cap.


June 20th, 2013, 10:15 am
Hall of Fame Player
User avatar

Joined: May 7th, 2005, 3:25 pm
Posts: 7443
Location: Earth/Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
P. Manning and T. Brady would just train up the next guys at the bottom of the roster and take them for the ride of their lives.

Guess Rivers isn't all that.


June 20th, 2013, 2:13 pm
Profile
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
BillySims wrote:
P. Manning and T. Brady would just train up the next guys at the bottom of the roster and take them for the ride of their lives.

Guess Rivers isn't all that.


BS

If that were true than Payton wouldn't have had Harrison and Wayne, and Faulk, and all of the high priced talent around him. If that were true NE wouldn't have paid Dillion, Hernandez, Welker, and the various other top paid WRs they've had.

SD doesn't spend money and you don't have talent without money. A Qb is dependent on the talent round him. Rivers would be much better on 60% of the teams in the league.


June 20th, 2013, 4:15 pm
Hall of Fame Player
User avatar

Joined: May 7th, 2005, 3:25 pm
Posts: 7443
Location: Earth/Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
wjb21ndtown wrote:
BillySims wrote:
P. Manning and T. Brady would just train up the next guys at the bottom of the roster and take them for the ride of their lives.

Guess Rivers isn't all that.


BS

If that were true than Payton wouldn't have had Harrison and Wayne, and Faulk, and all of the high priced talent around him. If that were true NE wouldn't have paid Dillion, Hernandez, Welker, and the various other top paid WRs they've had.

SD doesn't spend money and you don't have talent without money. A Qb is dependent on the talent round him. Rivers would be much better on 60% of the teams in the league.


SD doesn't spend money? BS!!! Every team has to spend money.

P. Manning, once Harrison retired, took Reggie Wayne from average to above average. Wayne hadn't done much before Harrison retired.

And Brady is in the process of training up a group of Receivers.

A great QB can train up an average group of WR's and make them special.


June 20th, 2013, 6:28 pm
Profile
Modmin Dude
User avatar

Joined: December 31st, 2004, 9:55 am
Posts: 12141
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
wjb21ndtown wrote:
A Qb is dependent on the talent round him.
I'm wondering if this applies to Stafford too. Not like he had a ton of talent around him last year....

_________________
Quote:
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right....


June 20th, 2013, 6:47 pm
Profile
Online
ST Coordinator – Danny Crossman
User avatar

Joined: March 30th, 2006, 12:48 am
Posts: 3827
Location: Davison Mi
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
wjb21ndtown wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
kdsberman wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
Killwill25 wrote:
lol @Rivers being better


How many playoff games has River's won? How many has Staff won? I'd say Rivers' is better.

Not just on that alone. The guy seems to handle himself well in pressure situations, and elevates his game. Staff doesn't exactly fall apart,but he definitely isn't any better. At least not in big games.


I dont know who Id call better (PROBABLY rivers at this point), but what I do like about Rivers is that he is a LEADER on the field. Stafford shows no signs of being a leader and it makes me so mad watching it.


Have you guys watched any SD games in the past 2 years? Rivers is not the same player he used to be. He used to look like the future elite qb's along with Aaron Rodgers....but he is not at that level anymore. I believe it was an injury that started his skid but I'm not sure if I would even call him average anymore.

You guys are crazy thinking today's rivers is better than today's stafford.

wJB....has rivers MADE it to the playoffs in the last 2 years? Staff has. By your previous example that should make him better.


That may have something to do with losing Gates, LT, and Vincent Jackson, and replacing them with spare parts??? IDK... To me I think that would effect a Qbs ability to perform well. Is it that Rivers fell apart? Or the team fell apart around him? And SD is notoriously cheap. They never spend anywhere close to the cap.


Judging by your answer the answer to my question is no, you haven't watched many SD games last year...or you would have seen what's obvious. He isn't as accurate anymore, and has become quick to try and force things when he doesn't have to.

Funny how you're willing to give him the benefit of the doubt about losing key tallent, by want to hold a grudge against staff for having the same thing happen to him.

_________________
2013 Lionbacker Fantasy Football Champion


June 20th, 2013, 7:19 pm
Profile
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
regularjoe12 wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
regularjoe12 wrote:
kdsberman wrote:
wjb21ndtown wrote:
Killwill25 wrote:
lol @Rivers being better


How many playoff games has River's won? How many has Staff won? I'd say Rivers' is better.

Not just on that alone. The guy seems to handle himself well in pressure situations, and elevates his game. Staff doesn't exactly fall apart,but he definitely isn't any better. At least not in big games.


I dont know who Id call better (PROBABLY rivers at this point), but what I do like about Rivers is that he is a LEADER on the field. Stafford shows no signs of being a leader and it makes me so mad watching it.


Have you guys watched any SD games in the past 2 years? Rivers is not the same player he used to be. He used to look like the future elite qb's along with Aaron Rodgers....but he is not at that level anymore. I believe it was an injury that started his skid but I'm not sure if I would even call him average anymore.

You guys are crazy thinking today's rivers is better than today's stafford.

wJB....has rivers MADE it to the playoffs in the last 2 years? Staff has. By your previous example that should make him better.


That may have something to do with losing Gates, LT, and Vincent Jackson, and replacing them with spare parts??? IDK... To me I think that would effect a Qbs ability to perform well. Is it that Rivers fell apart? Or the team fell apart around him? And SD is notoriously cheap. They never spend anywhere close to the cap.


Judging by your answer the answer to my question is no, you haven't watched many SD games last year...or you would have seen what's obvious. He isn't as accurate anymore, and has become quick to try and force things when he doesn't have to.

Funny how you're willing to give him the benefit of the doubt about losing key tallent, by want to hold a grudge against staff for having the same thing happen to him.


Don't give me that crap. Even with our injury struggles and mental lapses our WR corps is 10Xs better than SD's and it has been for years.

I don't buy that Rivers all of the sudden has developed "accuracy issues." He has garbage players running garbage routes, and a garbage line in front of him. I don't fault him for not trusting the players around him at all. They've proven themselves untrustworthy.


June 20th, 2013, 7:26 pm
Fired Head Coach (0-16 record)

Joined: March 5th, 2009, 8:42 pm
Posts: 2231
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
WJB...so if you could choose one of them to lead your franchise, you'd take Rivers?

_________________
Matthew Stafford is the only player in NFL history who is allowed to smoke cigarettes in the team huddle. He just chooses not to


June 21st, 2013, 12:04 am
Profile
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
Killwill25 wrote:
WJB...so if you could choose one of them to lead your franchise, you'd take Rivers?


For one game? Yes

For one season? Yes

To start rebuilding? No


June 21st, 2013, 12:45 am
Player of the Year - Defense

Joined: September 13th, 2007, 12:43 pm
Posts: 2700
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
WJB has the philosophy that the QB doesn't matter all that much. He's been pretty consistent in this, I (and all other 32 GMs in the NFL) just happen to think he's wrong. This is a QB-driven league.

Stafford might not be a definitive top 10 QB, but he's definitely in the conversation, and given his age, you still have to give him the benefit of the doubt.


June 21st, 2013, 12:55 pm
Profile
Post Re: Lions working on Stafford deal, but have a deadline
Blueskies wrote:
WJB has the philosophy that the QB doesn't matter all that much. He's been pretty consistent in this, I (and all other 32 GMs in the NFL) just happen to think he's wrong. This is a QB-driven league.

Stafford might not be a definitive top 10 QB, but he's definitely in the conversation, and given his age, you still have to give him the benefit of the doubt.


BS... SF feels this way? Balti feels this way? Seattle feels this way? Houston feels this way? Minny feels this way? I don't think so.

Your philosophy isn't a "universally held" philosophy as you claim.

SF is using a day 2 pick at Qb, as are many other teams. Houston picked up Shaub for peanuts, he looked washed up before then. Alex Smith was successful at SF before looking like a dud in prior years. Manning, Flacco, and Romo are nothing special.

You can argue salary all you want... I don't advocate allowing even a mediocre Qb to leave your team once they know the system. You've picked your pony and you're stuck with him. It takes Qbs 2-3 years to learn a system, the player, and to get good at that system regardless. Deciding to switch up Qbs, unless you're a run heavy team, is blatantly admitting that you're going through a rebuilding process that's going to take some time. Most teams can't or at least don't want to afford that, and I don't blame them. But to say that these GMs feel like you "have to have" a top 10 Qb to win is ridiculous. If they did then Flacco, Manning, Romo, etc. wouldn't get their contracts, they would get dumped for the next potential Andrew Luck.


June 21st, 2013, 1:07 pm
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 121 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ... 9  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Majestic-12 [Bot], Shotty and 10 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by STSoftware.