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Honestly? If people haven't gotten the point yet ... my take is, anyone who insists on labeling an NFL team's entire fan base with a "reputation" on the actions of a few people are either dumb or just biased and wanting so badly to feel better about themselves that they just see what they want to see to the exclusion of everything else.

Using the logic I've seen here, I suppose I should consider all Lions fans to be ridiculous dumb, drunken a$$es because one jerk shouted "Bears suck!" into my 14 year old son's face while we were walking out after the game. But that was just one douchebag.

Other than that, I saw pretty typical interactions around us, for the most part, for such an intense game. There are always some poor winners and some poor losers. Some dummies and some cool people on both sides. That was the case yesterday - was pretty normal.

Again - all I can tell you about my thinking on fan behavior is this: I try to act like an example of good sportsmanship and fan of the game overall. If I'm at a Bear game and see Bear fans gloating and being jerks over a victory or loss, my approach is to tell them to act like they've been there before & expect to win. And understand that all NFL teams lose games during a season, so relax about it. And yesterday is a good example of that.

On the Bear OLine ... I haven't changed my mind on them, at all. Good for the Lions that their two top draft choices played in the way expected when they're two top draft choices...like I've said here, that's what is supposed to happen, and how the league encourages parity. If that means the Lions win half of the games against the Bears in the future, then so be it - that's better than a supposed rivalry, where one team wins 25 out of 30 games.

I'm not going to argue here about specific plays, or whether Suh's two sacks and the Fairley TD were the gifts I believe they were... gifts from Cutler and not the Oline. (Don't bother commenting back on that - that's all you're going to hear from me on it... just my opinion as a fan. The game's on film to rewatch, and opinions are what they are.)

I saw Jay get 3-4 mississippi in the pocket plenty enough times yesterday, and saw him able to use his legs adequately when he didn't get that. Unfortunately for we Bear fans, Jay's arm and the clock in his head weren't working too well yesterday. It happens. The Bears are still a really good team, and he's a good QB.

So good game, fellas - yesterday was a Lions victory in all 3 phases. The Bears had an abysmal game at the QB position, had an epic bad game on ST (especially for the Bears), and then couldn't defend sufficiently with the field position that resulted. That's a losing formula.

Congrats, and see you in Chicago!



I will say this about you....you have class. And I am NOT being sarcastic, I am being genuine. My post was sort of a ribbing, more than my agreeing that all Bears fans are idiots. If you recall, I supported your stance that every fan base has its goods and bads. Some places may be less friendly than others, but you can't condemn an entire fanbase on the actions of a few.

So, I say it again....you are a classy individual who has dealt with some ridiculous posts here and still kept your composure.

=D> :cheers:

I salute you.

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Post Re: Next up: Chicago Bears
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I.E. wrote:
Honestly? If people haven't gotten the point yet ... my take is, anyone who insists on labeling an NFL team's entire fan base with a "reputation" on the actions of a few people are either dumb or just biased and wanting so badly to feel better about themselves that they just see what they want to see to the exclusion of everything else.

Using the logic I've seen here, I suppose I should consider all Lions fans to be ridiculous dumb, drunken a$$es because one jerk shouted "Bears suck!" into my 14 year old son's face while we were walking out after the game. But that was just one douchebag.

Other than that, I saw pretty typical interactions around us, for the most part, for such an intense game. There are always some poor winners and some poor losers. Some dummies and some cool people on both sides. That was the case yesterday - was pretty normal.

Again - all I can tell you about my thinking on fan behavior is this: I try to act like an example of good sportsmanship and fan of the game overall. If I'm at a Bear game and see Bear fans gloating and being jerks over a victory or loss, my approach is to tell them to act like they've been there before & expect to win. And understand that all NFL teams lose games during a season, so relax about it. And yesterday is a good example of that.

On the Bear OLine ... I haven't changed my mind on them, at all. Good for the Lions that their two top draft choices played in the way expected when they're two top draft choices...like I've said here, that's what is supposed to happen, and how the league encourages parity. If that means the Lions win half of the games against the Bears in the future, then so be it - that's better than a supposed rivalry, where one team wins 25 out of 30 games.

I'm not going to argue here about specific plays, or whether Suh's two sacks and the Fairley TD were the gifts I believe they were... gifts from Cutler and not the Oline. (Don't bother commenting back on that - that's all you're going to hear from me on it... just my opinion as a fan. The game's on film to rewatch, and opinions are what they are.)

I saw Jay get 3-4 mississippi in the pocket plenty enough times yesterday, and saw him able to use his legs adequately when he didn't get that. Unfortunately for we Bear fans, Jay's arm and the clock in his head weren't working too well yesterday. It happens. The Bears are still a really good team, and he's a good QB.

So good game, fellas - yesterday was a Lions victory in all 3 phases. The Bears had an abysmal game at the QB position, had an epic bad game on ST (especially for the Bears), and then couldn't defend sufficiently with the field position that resulted. That's a losing formula.

Congrats, and see you in Chicago!
I will say this about you....you have class. And I am NOT being sarcastic, I am being genuine. My post was sort of a ribbing, more than my agreeing that all Bears fans are idiots. If you recall, I supported your stance that every fan base has its goods and bads. Some places may be less friendly than others, but you can't condemn an entire fanbase on the actions of a few.

So, I say it again....you are a classy individual who has dealt with some ridiculous posts here and still kept your composure.

=D> :cheers:

I salute you.
Indeed. I 2nd this

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Post Re: Next up: Chicago Bears
TheRealWags wrote:
m2karateman wrote:
I.E. wrote:
Honestly? If people haven't gotten the point yet ... my take is, anyone who insists on labeling an NFL team's entire fan base with a "reputation" on the actions of a few people are either dumb or just biased and wanting so badly to feel better about themselves that they just see what they want to see to the exclusion of everything else.

Using the logic I've seen here, I suppose I should consider all Lions fans to be ridiculous dumb, drunken a$$es because one jerk shouted "Bears suck!" into my 14 year old son's face while we were walking out after the game. But that was just one douchebag.

Other than that, I saw pretty typical interactions around us, for the most part, for such an intense game. There are always some poor winners and some poor losers. Some dummies and some cool people on both sides. That was the case yesterday - was pretty normal.

Again - all I can tell you about my thinking on fan behavior is this: I try to act like an example of good sportsmanship and fan of the game overall. If I'm at a Bear game and see Bear fans gloating and being jerks over a victory or loss, my approach is to tell them to act like they've been there before & expect to win. And understand that all NFL teams lose games during a season, so relax about it. And yesterday is a good example of that.

On the Bear OLine ... I haven't changed my mind on them, at all. Good for the Lions that their two top draft choices played in the way expected when they're two top draft choices...like I've said here, that's what is supposed to happen, and how the league encourages parity. If that means the Lions win half of the games against the Bears in the future, then so be it - that's better than a supposed rivalry, where one team wins 25 out of 30 games.

I'm not going to argue here about specific plays, or whether Suh's two sacks and the Fairley TD were the gifts I believe they were... gifts from Cutler and not the Oline. (Don't bother commenting back on that - that's all you're going to hear from me on it... just my opinion as a fan. The game's on film to rewatch, and opinions are what they are.)

I saw Jay get 3-4 mississippi in the pocket plenty enough times yesterday, and saw him able to use his legs adequately when he didn't get that. Unfortunately for we Bear fans, Jay's arm and the clock in his head weren't working too well yesterday. It happens. The Bears are still a really good team, and he's a good QB.

So good game, fellas - yesterday was a Lions victory in all 3 phases. The Bears had an abysmal game at the QB position, had an epic bad game on ST (especially for the Bears), and then couldn't defend sufficiently with the field position that resulted. That's a losing formula.

Congrats, and see you in Chicago!
I will say this about you....you have class. And I am NOT being sarcastic, I am being genuine. My post was sort of a ribbing, more than my agreeing that all Bears fans are idiots. If you recall, I supported your stance that every fan base has its goods and bads. Some places may be less friendly than others, but you can't condemn an entire fanbase on the actions of a few.

So, I say it again....you are a classy individual who has dealt with some ridiculous posts here and still kept your composure.

=D> :cheers:

I salute you.
Indeed. I 2nd this


3rded. =D> :arrow:

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Post Re: Next up: Chicago Bears
Hystrix wrote:
I didn't watch this game (it wasn't on in DC), but I keep hearing that Stafford was inconstant. He was 65% for completions. What am I missing?


Didn't read the follow up responses yet, but he did a lot of dink and dunk passes, and Durham and Pett caught everything thrown at them for once, hence the 65%. The Only notable drop in the game was from Scheff. All but 2 of the incomplete's were Terrible throws. Way Over, Into the ground, Way Behind. He was .5-1 sec too late or too early on multiple throws. 3 of them were to wide Open receivers, 2 of them on potential TDs/huge Plays. Everyone in this game played an A- to A+ game, Stafford played a C Game. The good news is he was pocket aware on almost every play (except peppers forced fumble from behind), but he was evading ok, and stepping into throws (not much pressure however, combo of our OL doing good and lack of a bears Passrush), but once he set his feet and made throws he looked completely out of Rhythm. The Announcers were pointing it out all game.


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Post Re: Next up: Chicago Bears
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I will say this about you....you have class. And I am NOT being sarcastic, I am being genuine. My post was sort of a ribbing, more than my agreeing that all Bears fans are idiots. If you recall, I supported your stance that every fan base has its goods and bads. Some places may be less friendly than others, but you can't condemn an entire fanbase on the actions of a few.

So, I say it again....you are a classy individual who has dealt with some ridiculous posts here and still kept your composure.

=D> :cheers:

I salute you.


My Thoughts exactly.


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A bears fan came into the chat yesterday and starting trolling. After a bit of good natured ribbing, they stayed on and provided some good comments, and overall were part of a good atmosphere.

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Yup. And he said he'd come back for the next game for some good natured banter and discussion.


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Next game, h-e-l-l ... this week we get to talk about the very beat-able Packers! :arrow:


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lol nice.

Interesting stat btw... Through 4 games, in relation to our 21% allowed 3rd down percentage... We have yet to face a running play on those 3rd downs. I think it quietly shows that we've effective (except for the occasional long run) against the run on 1st and 2nd and putting teams into passing situations and defending them well.

I thought that was impressive simply for the fact that it's obvious we're better against the run overall. But the pass defense is actually been pretty effective when it matters. If Young and Idonije could just not give up contain on their side, maybe they could stop giving up the one long TD run per game and actually look more dominant than they've been.


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lol nice.

Interesting stat btw... Through 4 games, in relation to our 21% allowed 3rd down percentage... We have yet to face a running play on those 3rd downs. I think it quietly shows that we've effective (except for the occasional long run) against the run on 1st and 2nd and putting teams into passing situations and defending them well.

I thought that was impressive simply for the fact that it's obvious we're better against the run overall. But the pass defense is actually been pretty effective when it matters. If Young and Idonije could just not give up contain on their side, maybe they could stop giving up the one long TD run per game and actually look more dominant than they've been.


On Forte's big run, I don't really blame Willie Young. Let me explain:

With the Lions defense, it is my understanding that the ends are supposed to crash down, just about every play that they aren't involved in an inside stunt (which, by the way, WY was involved on when Suh looped around him to get the strip sack that Fairley scored on...credit Willie with a good inside move to pull both the guard and tackle inside). If he is crashing down, expecting him to contain on the outside is asking a wee bit too much, in my opinion. So...my question is, where is the linebacker on that side? Why didn't he take care of the outside contain? There were a number of players who messed up on that run. Delmas took a REALLY bad angle to Forte, who simply outran him. Tulloch got caught inside and someone else was coming up and took a bad angle and got beat to the outside. I did notice that the Bears tried that play again later, and Young turned Forte inside...learn from your mistakes. Nice.

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Post Re: Next up: Chicago Bears
m2karateman wrote:
njroar wrote:
lol nice.

Interesting stat btw... Through 4 games, in relation to our 21% allowed 3rd down percentage... We have yet to face a running play on those 3rd downs. I think it quietly shows that we've effective (except for the occasional long run) against the run on 1st and 2nd and putting teams into passing situations and defending them well.

I thought that was impressive simply for the fact that it's obvious we're better against the run overall. But the pass defense is actually been pretty effective when it matters. If Young and Idonije could just not give up contain on their side, maybe they could stop giving up the one long TD run per game and actually look more dominant than they've been.


On Forte's big run, I don't really blame Willie Young. Let me explain:

With the Lions defense, it is my understanding that the ends are supposed to crash down, just about every play that they aren't involved in an inside stunt (which, by the way, WY was involved on when Suh looped around him to get the strip sack that Fairley scored on...credit Willie with a good inside move to pull both the guard and tackle inside). If he is crashing down, expecting him to contain on the outside is asking a wee bit too much, in my opinion. So...my question is, where is the linebacker on that side? Why didn't he take care of the outside contain? There were a number of players who messed up on that run. Delmas took a REALLY bad angle to Forte, who simply outran him. Tulloch got caught inside and someone else was coming up and took a bad angle and got beat to the outside. I did notice that the Bears tried that play again later, and Young turned Forte inside...learn from your mistakes. Nice.


Yes, WY crashed, but lost contain. I didn't see Palmer, so they might have been in a two LB set. Marshall laid a perfect block on Houston and whoever was on Quin pushed him right into Slay. It really lined up perfectly for Chicago on that play. Everything fell into place.

But yes, every time we've given up a big run, we've held them in check the rest of the game. It's been like a slap to the face of the defense. AP runs for 78, held for under 100 yards total. Arizona we didn't give up too much, Washington, one big, rest in check. And now Forte.


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Honestly? If people haven't gotten the point yet ... my take is, anyone who insists on labeling an NFL team's entire fan base with a "reputation" on the actions of a few people are either dumb or just biased and wanting so badly to feel better about themselves that they just see what they want to see to the exclusion of everything else.

Using the logic I've seen here, I suppose I should consider all Lions fans to be ridiculous dumb, drunken a$$es because one jerk shouted "Bears suck!" into my 14 year old son's face while we were walking out after the game. But that was just one douchebag.

Other than that, I saw pretty typical interactions around us, for the most part, for such an intense game. There are always some poor winners and some poor losers. Some dummies and some cool people on both sides. That was the case yesterday - was pretty normal.

Again - all I can tell you about my thinking on fan behavior is this: I try to act like an example of good sportsmanship and fan of the game overall. If I'm at a Bear game and see Bear fans gloating and being jerks over a victory or loss, my approach is to tell them to act like they've been there before & expect to win. And understand that all NFL teams lose games during a season, so relax about it. And yesterday is a good example of that.

On the Bear OLine ... I haven't changed my mind on them, at all. Good for the Lions that their two top draft choices played in the way expected when they're two top draft choices...like I've said here, that's what is supposed to happen, and how the league encourages parity. If that means the Lions win half of the games against the Bears in the future, then so be it - that's better than a supposed rivalry, where one team wins 25 out of 30 games.

I'm not going to argue here about specific plays, or whether Suh's two sacks and the Fairley TD were the gifts I believe they were... gifts from Cutler and not the Oline. (Don't bother commenting back on that - that's all you're going to hear from me on it... just my opinion as a fan. The game's on film to rewatch, and opinions are what they are.)

I saw Jay get 3-4 mississippi in the pocket plenty enough times yesterday, and saw him able to use his legs adequately when he didn't get that. Unfortunately for we Bear fans, Jay's arm and the clock in his head weren't working too well yesterday. It happens. The Bears are still a really good team, and he's a good QB.

So good game, fellas - yesterday was a Lions victory in all 3 phases. The Bears had an abysmal game at the QB position, had an epic bad game on ST (especially for the Bears), and then couldn't defend sufficiently with the field position that resulted. That's a losing formula.

Congrats, and see you in Chicago!


generalizations are what they are and for the most part are well earned. however, most people realize that they do not apply to every person or fan. i sat by a bears fan during this game and he was really classy and friendly and made the game even more enjoyable for me.


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