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Post Re: Matt Leinart: Kurt Warner, not Whisenhunt, ran Cards
and who do you think ran the offense in Indy? Well except that one year he didn't play and Jim (back to back Jims, nice) ran the offense. Oh yeah, they were terrible on O and lost their first 13 games of the season (remember how excited we were that a team might tie our 0-16 NFL record that year).

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Post Re: Matt Leinart: Kurt Warner, not Whisenhunt, ran Cards
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and who do you think ran the offense in Indy? Well except that one year he didn't play and Jim (back to back Jims, nice) ran the offense. Oh yeah, they were terrible on O and lost their first 13 games of the season (remember how excited we were that a team might tie our 0-16 NFL record that year).


So Bill (we don't need a backup quarterback) Polian had nothing to do with that? When you have a Peyton and no one is being developed besides lifting clipboards, and running the scout offense, Do you really expect a team to have any success? And that was for Manning's entire career... not just the one season.


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Pablo wrote:
and who do you think ran the offense in Indy? Well except that one year he didn't play and Jim (back to back Jims, nice) ran the offense. Oh yeah, they were terrible on O and lost their first 13 games of the season (remember how excited we were that a team might tie our 0-16 NFL record that year).


So Bill (we don't need a backup quarterback) Polian had nothing to do with that? When you have a Peyton and no one is being developed besides lifting clipboards, and running the scout offense, Do you really expect a team to have any success? And that was for Manning's entire career... not just the one season.


Patriots had a good season when Brady went down.


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But the Patriots actually develop their QB's who are actually talented QB's in their own right. What Indianapolis did for so long was neglect the defense, neglect the backup QB, so when they didn't have the guy that could overcome that, of course they were going to lose most of their games.

0-16 for us didn't happen because we didn't have a QB. Our defense couldn't stop anyone also. The elder Polian was really not much better than Millen was during those final years.

As for Caldwell's Baltimore years, When he took over in 2012, it propelled them to the Super Bowl. 2013, they lost the heart of the defense and their front 7 underperformed. They got no pressure on the QB while their secondary did better than average. Their offense was depleted by losing Pitta and their offensive line was in shambles. The fact they were in the hunt for the playoffs is a miracle.


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Post Re: Matt Leinart: Kurt Warner, not Whisenhunt, ran Cards
njroar wrote:
But the Patriots actually develop their QB's who are actually talented QB's in their own right. What Indianapolis did for so long was neglect the defense, neglect the backup QB, so when they didn't have the guy that could overcome that, of course they were going to lose most of their games.

0-16 for us didn't happen because we didn't have a QB. Our defense couldn't stop anyone also. The elder Polian was really not much better than Millen was during those final years.

As for Caldwell's Baltimore years, When he took over in 2012, it propelled them to the Super Bowl. 2013, they lost the heart of the defense and their front 7 underperformed. They got no pressure on the QB while their secondary did better than average. Their offense was depleted by losing Pitta and their offensive line was in shambles. The fact they were in the hunt for the playoffs is a miracle.


I think the Pats are just an outlier. You really can't say the Pats went looking for talented QBs because until Mallett they really didn't make a big effort. Cassell was a 7th rounder and Hoyer was undrafted. Belichick has just worked wonders with players no one else really saw value in.


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Post Re: Matt Leinart: Kurt Warner, not Whisenhunt, ran Cards
njroar wrote:
But the Patriots actually develop their QB's who are actually talented QB's in their own right.


Not sure if I agree with this, Cassel got a huge contract but hasn't performed anywhere near as well as that fill in year.


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Post Re: Matt Leinart: Kurt Warner, not Whisenhunt, ran Cards
njroar wrote:
But the Patriots actually develop their QB's who are actually talented QB's in their own right. What Indianapolis did for so long was neglect the defense, neglect the backup QB, so when they didn't have the guy that could overcome that, of course they were going to lose most of their games.

0-16 for us didn't happen because we didn't have a QB. Our defense couldn't stop anyone also. The elder Polian was really not much better than Millen was during those final years.

As for Caldwell's Baltimore years, When he took over in 2012, it propelled them to the Super Bowl. 2013, they lost the heart of the defense and their front 7 underperformed. They got no pressure on the QB while their secondary did better than average. Their offense was depleted by losing Pitta and their offensive line was in shambles. The fact they were in the hunt for the playoffs is a miracle.


Plus, they traded Bolden.


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Post Re: Matt Leinart: Kurt Warner, not Whisenhunt, ran Cards
aManNamedSuh wrote:
njroar wrote:
But the Patriots actually develop their QB's who are actually talented QB's in their own right.


Not sure if I agree with this, Cassel got a huge contract but hasn't performed anywhere near as well as that fill in year.



They ran their system perfectly. That's what a backup is supposed to do. A backup isn't a top flight QB that you cater your offense around, it's a player that can fit your system. That's it. Philly did it with their backups that played magically if McNabb or Vick went down, but couldn't play a lick elsewhere. Same with NE and most every team. Hill does it in our system, and to an extent, Moore did this past preseason. Indy never worried because they figured Manning would play forever. MOST teams would struggle if their starter went down. 2-14 wasn't solely because of the QB though. The offense was bare of talent besides Wayne, and the defense was always bad. That's on the GM.


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