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Always interesting to see trends among generations...

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Half of millennials more likely to lean Democratic

WASHINGTON (AP) — Young adults like to think of themselves as independent, but when it comes to politics, they're more likely than not to lean to the left.

Half of American adults ages 18 to 33 are self-described political independents, according to a survey out Friday, but at the same time half of these so-called millennials are Democrats or lean toward the Democratic Party, the highest share for any age group over the last decade.


In addition, young adults tend to be single and churchless — turning away from their predecessors' proclivity for religion and marriage, according the Pew Research Center survey. Almost two-thirds don't classify themselves as "a religious person." And when it comes to tying the knot: Only about 1 in 4 millennials is married. Almost half of baby boomers were married at that age.

The new survey shows how the millennial adults are "forging a distinctive path into adulthood," said Paul Taylor, Pew's executive vice president and co-author of the report.

This can especially be seen when it comes to politics. Fifty percent of the millennials identify themselves as political independents, while only 27 percent said Democrat and 17 percent said Republican. The independent identification for millenials is an increase from 38 percent back in 2004.

"It's not that they don't have strong political opinions, they do," Taylor said. "It's simply that they choose not to identify themselves with either political party."

The number of self-described independents is lower among their predecessors. Only 39 percent of those in Generation X said they were independents, along with 37 percent of the boomers and 32 percent of the Silent Generation.

Pew describes Gen Xers as those from age 34-49, boomers as 50-68 and the Silent Generation as those 69-86.

When the self-identified Democratic millennials combined with the self-described independents who lean Democratic, half — 50 percent — of the millennials are Democrats or Democratic-leaning while 34 percent are Republicans or Republican-leaning.

"They don't choose to identify, but they have strong views and their views are views that most people conventionally associate with the Democratic Party," Taylor said. "They believe in a big activist government on some of the social issues of the day — gay marriage, marijuana legalization, immigration. Their views are much more aligned with the Democratic Party."

Taylor said they don't know whether millennial voting trends will stay the same as they get older.

"People can change over the course of their lifetimes," Taylor said. "At the same time, the behaviors, attitudes, the voting patterns and experiences that generations sort of encounter as they come of age in their late teens and early 20s are important and this generation as political actors has come in three or four national elections in a row now as distinctively Democratic and liberal despite the fact they don't want to identify that way."

Millennials also haven't bought into the idea that they should go to church or get married early.

Only 36 percent of the millennials said the phrase "a religious person" described them very well, compared with 52 percent of the Gen Xers, 55 percent of the baby boomers and 61 percent of the Silent Generation. And they're significantly less religious than their immediately predecessors, the Gen Xers. When they were the same age, almost half of the Gen Xers — 47 percent — identified themselves as religious.

The 64 percent of the millennials who say that they are not religious "is the highest for any age group we've ever measured," Taylor said.

The millenials were far less inclined toward marriage than the groups that preceded them. Only 26 percent of the millennial adults are married. When they were the same age, 36 percent of the Gen Xers, 48 percent of baby boomers and 65 percent of the Silent Generation were married.

The Pew study was based on interviews with 1,821 adults by cellphone or landline from Feb. 14-23. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points.

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March 7th, 2014, 11:14 am
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As I've written before on this forum, the only hope for the Republican party/conservative ideology in the long-run is to give up the social fight.

Young people will eventually come around to conservative economic ideas once they get a job and start paying a meaningful amount of taxes, but their social views are unlikely to ever change.


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it speaks to the brain washing and "bread and circus" platform of our current democratic leadership. The more freebies and entertainment they give you the less inclined you are going to be about having to work for it. WallE illustrated that with a bunch of hoveround, soda drinking, t.v. watching individuals who couldn't live outside of the teleprompter. Although it was animated, it was a spot on example of America today, or what it's becoming, and how free thinking is no longer popular. The Communist system was good about stamping out free thinking, and subjecting everyone to the "Government System". It is going on here, and we'll wake one day, only to find we've lost all of our "rights" and wonder how that happened. Nevermind, that they were sold for "bread and circus" and we'll be powerless to do anything about it.

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Not sure how you come to those conclusions, this generation seems more "free thinking" than any of the previous based on the basic findings above. More classify themselves as "independent" than any previous generation. More are also "free thinking" when it comes to relationships, not having to get married at such a young age. Many are also more "free thinking" when it comes to religion, not just following whatever their parents believed.

Funny how we have two totally different takes on the results, I'd say they are the least "brain washed" and most "free thinking" generation based on what the article states. They simply don't fall in line with exactly what their parents think like most previous generations.

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What I thought was most interesting is that Millennials are the least-likely to consider themselves environmentalists.


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Pablo: It's because we see things from two different perspectives. One Worldly, One Eternally. I can see the decisions and processes of this government for what they really are, a means to an end. The conversations we had in Coke vs. Pepsi highlighted that on many occasion. The Democratic Party, and it's leadership are the most Socialist they've ever been, with a desire for more and more control. The Republican Party is the same, just with a SLIGHTLY different flavor. Both want control, and the loser is the American public.

"Bread and Circus" was the practice of a Roman emperor who gave the people entertainment, and bread, and they gave up their rights to get it. This created a dependency upon the government that placed them solely in control of the individual. The same is true here!

Obamaphones, Welfare without limitations, never ending unemployment, increased minimum wage, Obamacare, and so on are all policies that take from one and give to the other. The people bearing the brunt of this is the Middle Class Americans. The rich know where to stash their money and it will not be found or taxed out of them. The poor never really contribute, they just take and are willing to keep doing so. So when the time comes that he Middle Class surrenders in disgust and futility, we'll all be "EQUAL and FAIR" according to the Communist standard. Those in power live well, and those who aren't in power live off the scraps from the governments table.

Do we not remember the lines of people outside of Russian hand out facilities? They didn't know what they were getting, they just knew it was time to get in line. It's coming here, it will just take time to arrive, it's part of the deception. I just hope that when it arrives, those that have participated in the discussion won't be too blind to see what I've tried to share. I have no interest in saying "I told ya so" but would rather rescue people before it's too late. However, for the U.S. it's TOO LATE. We've elected the President we deserve, and the damge he's done has passed terminal velocity.

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WarEr4Christ wrote:
Pablo: It's because we see things from two different perspectives. One Worldly, One Eternally. I can see the decisions and processes of this government for what they really are, a means to an end. The conversations we had in Coke vs. Pepsi highlighted that on many occasion. The Democratic Party, and it's leadership are the most Socialist they've ever been, with a desire for more and more control. The Republican Party is the same, just with a SLIGHTLY different flavor. Both want control, and the loser is the American public.

"Bread and Circus" was the practice of a Roman emperor who gave the people entertainment, and bread, and they gave up their rights to get it. This created a dependency upon the government that placed them solely in control of the individual. The same is true here!

Obamaphones, Welfare without limitations, never ending unemployment, increased minimum wage, Obamacare, and so on are all policies that take from one and give to the other. The people bearing the brunt of this is the Middle Class Americans. The rich know where to stash their money and it will not be found or taxed out of them. The poor never really contribute, they just take and are willing to keep doing so. So when the time comes that he Middle Class surrenders in disgust and futility, we'll all be "EQUAL and FAIR" according to the Communist standard. Those in power live well, and those who aren't in power live off the scraps from the governments table.

Do we not remember the lines of people outside of Russian hand out facilities? They didn't know what they were getting, they just knew it was time to get in line. It's coming here, it will just take time to arrive, it's part of the deception. I just hope that when it arrives, those that have participated in the discussion won't be too blind to see what I've tried to share. I have no interest in saying "I told ya so" but would rather rescue people before it's too late. However, for the U.S. it's TOO LATE. We've elected the President we deserve, and the damge he's done has passed terminal velocity.

WarEr, how does any of that relate to the study referenced above? How do you go from the results of the study to anything approaching what you just wrote? I don't see a link.

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W4C basically makes the same posts over and over again.


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because Pablo didn't see how I saw what I saw, and so I explained to him the two different world views. It seemed pretty cut and dry to me, maybe not.

Any further discussion would be pointless, y'all wouldn't/couldn't understand even if I spoke slowly and used pictures. I'm out.

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WarEr4Christ wrote:
so I explained to him the two different world views. It seemed pretty cut and dry to me, maybe not.


This isn't about different "world views", its about the results of a survey which are pretty black and white - it pretty much did "speak slowly" and "used pictures" for the reader. My views have nothing to do with the result of this survey, and neither do yours no matter how hard you want to impose them on it. I can only draw one of two conclusions; 1) you didn't read it and still gave your opinion or 2) you have such a set belief that no matter what it said you would interpret your pre-existing belief out of it.

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We've elected the President we deserve, and the damge he's done has passed terminal velocity.


then you say...

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The Democratic Party, and it's leadership are the most Socialist they've ever been, with a desire for more and more control. The Republican Party is the same, just with a SLIGHTLY different flavor.


Yet you voted for the slightly different flavor as you always have done. A sure sign of someone who isn't "free thinking" and is absolutely "brain washed". This survey does give me some hope that the younger generation is smarter than mine!

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Actually, I need to offer some apologies. Blueskies comment pissed me off and I reacted more out of anger than common sense.

I do have a different and unwavering perspective. It's based out of my faith, and it will not change. I know that aggravates y'all but I'm as stubborn and determines as a pitbull.

Having said that, Pablo, I only voted for Pepsi in the last election because the Tea Party had been absorbed by the establishment. Since the tyrant has taken office, the Republican party has sold out the people far more than it ever has in that past. They've targeted the Tea Party Conservatives and demonized them, mainly because they speak FOR the people, and it threatens their power.

From here on out, I will probably not vote in any election as there is no one out there worth voting for. We'll see how that develops, but I've effectively taken my hands off because this ship is sinking and I'm more focused on trying to save people than trying to save a sinking ship. So again, my apologies for ruffling feathers, it got away from me and I didn't mean to let that happen. But again, I'm out.

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WarEr4Christ wrote:
I do have a different and unwavering perspective. It's based out of my faith, and it will not change. I know that aggravates y'all but I'm as stubborn and determines as a pitbull.


It is a shame that your faith blinds you to all to a point when you can't even pull basic facts from a simple survey result. It is a shame that your faith gives you such a negative view of the world and anyone different from yourself. It is also a shame that you have so given up on things that you will no longer cast a vote and try to change things for the better.

I'm not sure how you can "save people" with such a negative and defeatist attitude. It's not the drowning man that saves someone else my friend, it is he who needs saving.

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I keep stopping by and I keep getting sucked in, and that's my own issue.

I know it's been shared in different contexts before but in all truth, the Matrix is a perfect example of the difference between us. From your point of view, I'm negative, defeatist, blind, and "drowning". But in reality, because of my faith I'm able to see the World as it REALLY is. Fallen, sinful, selfish, and dare I say human.

This does not mean that it is entirely bad, but it does mean that it is continuing a downward spiral. As I said above, this is a discussion that neither of us will be able to sway the other, and time will be the determining factor.

My faith encourages me to love, serve, and reachout to others unlike myself, because they bear the image of God. There is no picking and choosing of who can "get into the club", it is all accepting because they are human. I don't always do it right, as y'all have probably seen more often than not, but that doesn't keep me from trying.

I haven't completely given up, and if there is a candidate to vote for that best represents my ideals, he or she will get my vote. But, with the current trends in our system, and the systematic destruction of all that was once American (Constitution, Personal freedom, Individual rights) there comes a point where you step back and allow those in power to have their wish. It's not defeatist, it's being able to see a much larger picture. I don't expect my perspective to make sense to you, because you can't see with eyes of faith. You have no idea of the eternal because you can't see things that are right in front of you. I understand that, and accept it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to quit trying to live my faith before you.

It's becoming quite clear that our time of discussion need to stop, and so I will. I'm not going to "reach out" anymore, but I'll still be in prayer. I must say that I find it amusing that your perception of me is that I'm blinded by my faith, and yet my faith teaches, "let he that has eyes see, and he that has ears, hear." There are things that appear a certain way on the surface, but when filtered through faith, it opens up a whole other realm that you never knew existed. Religion isn't going to teach that, religion is too busy trying to sell you a relationship with church, and their programs, and mega-worship palaces. The Sow your $1000 dollar seed money so that you can live your best life now, because God has said what ever you sow you will wreap Christianity speaks to American Greed, and the only one wreaping is the used car salesman with the cheap smile and expensive suits and buildings. Nope, I've never wanted that for any of you and have stated it many, MANY, times. "I don't want to introduce you to a religion, I want to introduce you to a man who changed my life."

So I'll go back to my blind, defeatist, drowning, life and we'll let time wash this one out. But do me a favor, REMEMBER this conversation when it comes to pass. Because it will, and you'll see, and then maybe, JUST MAYBE, you'll be able to connect the dots and can muster enough faith to call out to the one I've tried to introduce you to.

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W4C:

What I meant was, in virtually every political topic, you make some post about how "Obama/the Democrats are brainwashing America, creating a culture of dependence etc. etc. etc."

You may have a point, but it's like you're just going back, copying your old posts, and pasting them into every topic. Please explain how your world view relates to the results of this survey.


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W4C:

What I meant was, in virtually every political topic, you make some post about how "Obama/the Democrats are brainwashing America, creating a culture of dependence etc. etc. etc."

You may have a point, but it's like you're just going back, copying your old posts, and pasting them into every topic. Please explain how your world view relates to the results of this survey.

The bolded part is exactly my question as well. I understand what you've been saying W4C. I don't necessarily agree with you, but I get where you're coming from with regard to your views. What I don't get is how they relate to the results of the survey. Is it simply that you equate anything that leans left as being socialist/communist? Because nothing in that article or the survey results struck me as socialist in any way. I could be wrong though. That's why I ask.

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