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 Stafford - 2nd tier QB, what's holding him back? 
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Post Stafford - 2nd tier QB, what's holding him back?
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Detroit Lions Matthew Stafford rated 2nd-tier QB; what holds him back?

Is Matthew Stafford one of the NFL’s elite quarterbacks?

Well, that depends. Do you consider a “Tier 2” quarterback elite?

ESPN’s Mike Sando put together his fifth annual NFL QB Tier rankings and Stafford checks in as the third-best QB in Tier 2.

The Detroit Lions quarterback is ranked seventh-best overall behind Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady (tied for No. 1), Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson.

What makes Sando’s ranking unique is that it’s backed by a panel of “50 league insiders” who offer comments anonymously about each player.

Sando said one of the main knocks on Stafford, who received 15 Tier 1 votes, is his lack of a playoff win in nine seasons.

“Stafford doesn't necessarily get the results as far as overall wins and playoffs,” one voter told Sando, "but he probably has more responsibility on him and has for his entire career than almost all the other quarterbacks.”

That’s a familiar refrain among Stafford’s supporters: He needs more help. But Sando pointed to the Lions ranking 25th in ESPN’s defensive-efficiency metric since Stafford’s first season in 2009 and that “Ryan's Falcons and Brees' Saints have won playoff games and reached Super Bowls despite ranking lower over the same period.”

One defensive coordinator told Sando that Stafford’s performance doesn’t match his talent.

“He is so talented, but here is my issue,” the coordinator said. “They should have been scoring lots of points and they never did. It falls on him. He is a 1 talent, but between a 2 and 3 performer. He has gotten more disciplined, but sometimes he freelances and it takes him a while to get it back. Then, if it's late in the game and the coverage gets generic in 2-minute, it is like, 'Boom, he gets hot.’ ”

One general manager who put Stafford in the top tier also echoed another familiar sentiment among most Lions fans: He gives his team a chance.

“Detroit is going to be at least .500 every year with that guy (Stafford) and most years you win 9-10 games and be in the playoffs," the GM said.

The good news for Stafford is that he’s trending up in Sando’s rankings. After being in the teens the first three years, Stafford ranked eighth last year and moved up a spot this year. Roethlisberger, at No. 4, is the final player in Tier 1.


Don't disagree with where he is ranked. I'd probably only have 3 in my tier 1 and drop Big Ben to top of tier 2. I'd also put Carson Wentz in tier 2 given his stellar 2017.

Regardless, if you look at the ages of the tier one you have Brady (turns 41 in few days), Rodgers (turns 35 this season), Brees (39), and Big Ben (36). Staff has time to get to the top!!!

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Post Re: Stafford - 2nd tier QB, what's holding him back?
Rodgers and Brady are solidly in their own tier, but there is not any other QB in the league that wouldn't see their team improve if they were replaced with Stafford this season. Stafford just can't take a team to the Super Bowl single handed like Rodgers and Brady. If Big Ben and Brees were still in their prime I would put them in that upper tier, but not as they are now. Ryan is over rated and Wilson is dynamic, but Stafford can make things happen on broken plays just as well using his arm strength and weird throwing angles instead of his legs while being a better pocket passer.


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Post Re: Stafford - 2nd tier QB, what's holding him back?
Winning - plain and simple.

Rodgers and Brady have the added advantage that their teams could still win even when they have a bad game. Stafford has had to play an almost flawless game or have a 4th quarter comebacks to just lead his team to a .500 record.

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