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 Bears at Lions Turkey Game 
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Well, that was a big ole' sigh.

I will be in the minority here, but I actually liked the Offensive game plan for the most part. Hell, apart from Galladay and Riddick, and Blount stepping up, we were on 2 and 3 stringers with a sprinkle of late pickups, so it needed to be simple. I liked they kept up the ground game, dink and dunk, then led to a few good downfield attempts.

And the unpopular opinion, I am slowly leaning towards the Offensive woes aren't on JBC, but maybe that Stafford has run his course. He has had some great years, and was the heart of the Cardiac Kitties with their late game comebacks. But as I watch this year, he just doesn't seem to have the accuracy, and the last few games hasn't shown the the strong arm to sling it out of bounds to avoid sacks.

This game had both teams coming in with Offensive problems, but once again our Defence made a backup QB look like a perennial starter.

At least for 3.5 quarters Football fans nationally got to see the Lions play a good game.

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November 22nd, 2018, 6:24 pm
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Grink wrote:
Well, that was a big ole' sigh.

I will be in the minority here, but I actually liked the Offensive game plan for the most part. Hell, apart from Galladay and Riddick, and Blount stepping up, we were on 2 and 3 stringers with a sprinkle of late pickups, so it needed to be simple. I liked they kept up the ground game, dink and dunk, then led to a few good downfield attempts.

And the unpopular opinion, I am slowly leaning towards the Offensive woes aren't on JBC, but maybe that Stafford has run his course. He has had some great years, and was the heart of the Cardiac Kitties with their late game comebacks. But as I watch this year, he just doesn't seem to have the accuracy, and the last few games hasn't shown the the strong arm to sling it out of bounds to avoid sacks.

This game had both teams coming in with Offensive problems, but once again our Defence made a backup QB look like a perennial starter.

At least for 3.5 quarters Football fans nationally got to see the Lions play a good game.


Well they were forced into a certain type of game plan because the OL proved they couldnt man up with the Bears DL. Stafford had to predetermine where he s going with the ball presnap and thats why they had so many short throws. Complete two balls and have a positive run but still not get a first down. They were depending on a lot of run after the catch but not able to get much with Theo Riddick and Bruce Ellington against a good tackling team. When the run game started to work in the second half that helped quite a bit as far as opening up the playbook but Stafford still looked like he was rushing everything. That was probably a factor on the first INT. The 2nd INT never happens if Golladay holds onto the game tying TD but you wonder what Michael Roberts is doing out there if thats the kind of effort he s giving. He had a couple really weak attempts at lead blocks during the game also.

As far as Stafford s concerned, I dont see a player who has declined. The accuracy and the arm strength are still there but the mistakes are accentuated and the margin of error is less with only one viable receiver on the field and behind an OL thats overmatched athletically. The game came down to the Lions needing Stafford to win the game for them but he gave it away with the pick 6 and almost was able to nullify that mistake. I still think he looked better both times against the Bears than Kirk Cousins did for the Vikings. Stafford s going to get a lot of the blame and he did make mistakes but he s not the root cause of there problems. He was getting the ball out so quick that the beat writers gave the OL a passing grade even though they are the reason the Lions are forced into a severely limited game plan. Stafford completed passes to 10 different players at 73% mostly with very little separation from a ball hawking elite defense. There was very little team speed on that offense yesterday. In the end Stafford lost the game for them but Im not sure they are even in the game without the guy.

On a side note - beyond what anyone thinks of Stafford is the reality that it would be next to impossible for the Lions to move on from him. Quinn and the previous front offices never did find a good developmental QB so that they wouldnt be forced to pay the big money deal but Stafford s in the 1st year of that 5/135m now. With the guaranteed money and signing bonuses accelerated if he s cut or traded, it really doesnt appear feasible to move him. Of course there s not a replacement on the roster either.

Defensively the front is significantly better with Ansah and Harrison in the fold. (Doubt they have both of them together next year though so enjoy that while we can) Jarrad Davis is improving in coverage, has discovered probably his biggest strength as a passrusher but is not a very good tackler, too easily blocked and has both poor instincts and poor fundamentals in the run defense. This was highlighted on the 4th qtr 3rd down run where the Bears ran Cohen off the edge for a first down to kill the clock and seal the game. Davis was the difference bw the play being a 4 or 5 yard run vs becoming a first down. Davis gambled on his speed taking the path of least resistance behind the lead block rather than pursue across the field where he could have easily forced cohen back inside. If it was 3rd and 2 maybe the gamble might ve made sense but on 3rd and 12 taking the secure stop would have been smarter play but thats rarely an attribute that he shows. The Lions are treating him like a cornerstone player on that defense but I doubt Davis ever becomes an elite level LB despite a very good skill set. In the secondary they are having major depth issues, lack speed and getting beaten by a suspect WR-QB combo. I thought the refs did an incredibly poor job picking up the flag on the offensive PI touchdown pass to Mizell. That was the definition of an illegal pick play. The secondary also got away with some missed coverages with Daniel missing targets with separation down the field.

Frustrating game overall bc the Lions did probably as well as they could have hoped keeping a game within reach where they had little room for mistakes only to finally make those mistakes at the end with the game on the line.


November 23rd, 2018, 12:22 pm
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Post Re: Bears at Lions Turkey Game
Stafford is the least of the Lion's offensive problems. He has 0 weapons. Don't even want to think what their offense would look like with a lesser QB.


November 23rd, 2018, 12:59 pm
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I also don't think Stafford is a problem, but if they did feel like moving on from him they could do it after next season. If Quinn decided to go in another direction, he could draft someone next season and move on from Stafford in 2020 shaving $10M off the cap. 2021 is the even bigger break point where they could move on from his $30M with only $10M in dead money and $20M off the cap.


November 23rd, 2018, 4:45 pm
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